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663ffb No.856869 [Open thread]

How do you categorize the importance of the book of Enoch? It was very influential in early Christian believers and it was seen as scripture in the the early Ethiopian Church… perhaps we should see it as scripture as well.

I would like to learn more about the book of Enoch and some links to learn about the history of it would be amazing. I see how aggressive Rabbinic Jews attack it and call it heretical but I do not care for that. Enoch is mentioned in Genesis and even in Islam hadiths… "(Mary 19:56–57): "And remember Idris in the Book; he was indeed very truthful, a Prophet. And We lifted him to a lofty station". this seems reminiscent of Genesis quote on Enoch..

Genesis 5: 23-24 "23 Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. 24 Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away."

My final question to you is how legitmate is the book of Enoch and should it hold the same standard as the other biblical books.

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63e213 No.856872

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>>856869

>How do you categorize the importance of the book of Enoch?

It is an apocryphal book that was likely written in late antiquity or thereabouts. It probably has multiple versions floating around, some or all of them being modified later. As far as the general content of the book goes, it contradicts numerous parts of the Bible, insomuch that both cannot be true at the same time. Its influence was primarily on gnostic sects in the early church era, so not strictly Christians, but merely offshoot sects that borrowed some ideas from Christianity. But scholarship today would have trouble distinguishing the two, and this is perhaps intentional. For this reason you might see nonchristian modern scholarship classing it as a "Christian influence," because those modern scholars are generally against the gospel and this is another way for modern scholars to cause confusion and just to generally confuse people about it who might not know any better.

>It was very influential in early Christian believers

The gnostic sect of the Manichaeans (founded around 240 AD) originally had a book called the "book of Giants," which was based on this, and this second book also had an influence on the Babylonian Talmud, which was written in the early middle ages (finished around 499 AD) and formed the basis of what we know as Judaism.

However, despite the above, the book did not have a proper or formal influence on the church of Jesus Christ. The doctrine of the church was determined by the Bible, which is inspired and God's word according to them, and contrarily not by any apocryphal works which are not considered inspired by God.

>Enoch is mentioned in Genesis

This is true, but if some random person wrote a book claiming to be from Enoch, how much should anyone be so easy to believe it? Many writings claim a false origin.

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1ff198 No.856967

>>856869

>How do you categorize the importance of the book of Enoch? It was very influential in early Christian believers and it was seen as scripture in the the early Ethiopian Church… perhaps we should see it as scripture as well.

I do

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1ff198 No.856968

>>856872

>The gnostic sect of the Manichaeans (founded around 240 AD) originally had a book called the "book of Giants,"

and the fragments we have are interesting. The book of Enoch said the fallen angels sinned with animals and the book of Giants clarifies that saying the fallen angels interbred with different species of animals.

>However, despite the above, the book did not have a proper or formal influence on the church of Jesus Christ. The doctrine of the church was determined by the Bible, which is inspired and God's word according to them, and contrarily not by any apocryphal works which are not considered inspired by God.

The book of Enoch was also quoted by James. It was clear that the book of Enoch was a religious text that early Jews and Christians (including Jesus) considered to be scripture. Why would a decree by an ecclesiastical council hundreds of years later have priority over the beliefs that Jesus and the apostles all had?

The book of Enoch was written for our time period and it says that right at the beginning. it was gone from the early catholic church until the 17th century before being rediscovered in an ethiopian jew community

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205a53 No.856960 [Open thread]

I never noticed the original Latin actually rhymed lol

Is there special sacred power conferred to prayers that rhyme?

Is their effect powered up by also playing a guitar rhythm while chanting it?

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ba127d No.856959 [Open thread]

I never noticed the original Latin actually rhymed lol.

Is there special sacred power conferred to prayers that rhyme?

Is their effect powered up by also playing a guitar rhythm while chanting it?

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dcebd8 No.856904 [Open thread]

If you are successful or even become prominent in your society, and if your daughter wants to marry a poor young man who is nice but you don't see much future, would you give consent?

What would Christ say?

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590aca No.856920

>>856916

Just speak from your heart, be honest, what's your answer?

If you are successful, do you want to witness your daughter choosing to live an unsuccessful life?

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845c63 No.856939

>>856904

Is it that hard for Christians to answer?

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3e81e8 No.856940

>>856904

Parents have no rights over their adult children. If you as a parent want your children to respect your wishes, take care of you in old age, and make good decisions, then you should raise them right. Too many people are wanting to reap what they haven't sown. Do right by your kids and they'll do right by you.

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845c63 No.856945

>>856940

>Parents have no rights (power) over their adult children.

You don't think children need a parent's consent when they marry someone.

>If you as a parent want your children to respect your wishes,

But you think a parent can expect his/her children to respect his/her wishes.

Don't you think the above two contradict?

>take care of you in old age

Should it be the purpose when someone wants to have children?

“Children are a gift from the Lord; they are a reward from him.” “Jesus said, …

Did the Lord mean Christians should have children to serve them when they are old?

What if a Christian doesn't have children? Is it a punishment from God?

>then you should raise them right

If children refuse to take care of their parent(s), but devote everything to their own children and serving God, is it a failure to raise them?

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8636d9 No.856954

>>856940

>If you as a parent want your children to . . ., take care of you in old age,

None of the Christians I know have ever said something like that. What all of them want is afterlife in Heaven with God.

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a20cf5 No.856948 [Open thread]

Judaism is the antichrist. Revilation—3:9 says they're a synagogue of Satan. There Talmud says that Jesus is in hell boiling in his own escrimin. These people worship molek and there "star of david" is actually the star of remphan, another part of molek worship. Molek is the type of angelic being that fell from heaven when Satan fell. They were originally damned when one molek named Saturn admired the golden calf as they admired there own symbol , horns. When the molek fell they went out and took a race of people , who's name is lost in time, and empregnated them all, men and women. The spawn that were born had horns, scales, tales, and were hairless; they had a humanoid image being born of humans. These children became the first rabbi. After there abominate children were born the molek went to Israel and dug a tunnel to hell and created the bottomless pit and then continued to build the first synagogue on top of the bottomless pit and sealing it shut with the structure and the only people who could travel through the lowest layer into hell were the horned rabbi. Once the temple was finished they began to design the antichrists new religion, Judaism. Then rabbis took Jewish women and empregnated them to create these fake jews as the imagery of a jew, in efforts to hide them among the jews to decieve them. At the 5th year of there wicked synagogue they made the plans to crucify Jesus. Now days you can see there influence in the media. Jewish people of the tradition of Judaism normally hold the final say in our media rendering our home in America the new babylon.

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09c63d No.856951

>>856948

Interesting story.

Source?

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5f9914 No.856936 [Open thread]

Imagine what it was like to live in the BC age, seeing the year number decreasing wondering what this "countdown" was for, then year 0 passes and nothing special seems to happen! People must have wondered, did someone special get born this year or something? Then you would only find out much later, if you even lived long enough….

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4b6978 No.856938

>>856936

Stop ridiculing Christians!

They have faith. And you?

They believe everything the holy Bible tells them. What do you believe?

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9fc6ee No.856942

>>856938

Speak for yourself, I don't believe every single thing the Bible says. All that's necessary is the core truths.

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4b6978 No.856944

>>856942

You don't think the Bible is holy. You think it's a book that is helpful or maybe enlightening. You are not a follower but try to make up your own mind.

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a8ba89 No.856947

>>856944

I follow Christ, not a book written by men. I have yet to find a good reason to put my faith in a book written by men. It was my understanding that the Bible exists only to point us to Christ and give us an idea of what God is all about. It's good reading material and I have a lot if respect for the wisdom it contains and the men who wrote it down, but it's blasphemy to claim that David or Paul or Peter couldn't have possibly been wrong about something.

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5378f5 No.856950

>>856947

A very good point.

Would you write something like "a critique of the Bible"? It may help a lot of Christians.

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a79b09 No.856929 [Open thread]

If I treat my relationship with God like any intimate relationship with a human, I realize why private prayer is so important. If I don't talk to him unless there are other people around, I'm an asshole.

Now, on the other hand, if he just gives me the silent treatment literally my entire life whether I try to actually talk to him or not, doesn't that make him the asshole? I know I'm being ungrateful but I'm human, I can't just ignore how his behavior makes me feel.

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fb293e No.856930

God talks to us through our lives. Things happen to us, meaning God wanting us to grow in certain virtues through those opportunities. There are two thieves at the cross, both subject to the same circumstance, one uses it to grow in sanctity, the other uses it to decrease.

Also spiritual dryness is good. Go to page chapter VI page 60 - Consolations and dryness. Its a book on mental prayer by a monk.

http://www.strobertbellarmine.net/books/Lehodey--MentalPrayer.pdf

Its also in print if you want to buy it instead.

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47ca96 No.856932

I never understood the protestant/evangelical thing where the put themselves as apparently equal buddies with God Almighty, creator of Heaven and Earth; the Triune God who is knows all, created all and gives us all.

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47ca96 No.856935

Now I recall why I stopped visiting this board.

The only banned people are the Christians.

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4d657d No.856535 [Open thread]

Thoughts on this?

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8c181e No.856561

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>>856559

>Joy to the world

>The Lord IS come

I'm sorry but saying this is post-mil is wildly inaccurate.

In 1 John 4:3, it says:

>And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

And again in 1 John 5:20,

>And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

It refers to the fact that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, as specified by John. He has already manifested, and is currently sitting at the right hand of God, as it says, "until I make thy foes thy footstool."

That in no way implies a post-millenial or amillenial belief system, which is highly allegorized, saying that most of the Bible is just an allegory, and basically teaches that man will actuate Christ rather than Him being a real person.

Your larger point about amillenialism/post-mil being more widespread at one point may or may not be true, but it doesn't matter because of pic related. Various heretical beliefs have had their momentary time in the sun of being popular in this world. The truth is that Christ is coming back, no matter how many or how few in this world believe it.

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6b9578 No.856563

>>856561

>I'm sorry but saying this is post-mil is wildly inaccurate.

The hymn writer Isaac Watts was explicitly postmill. A lot of his hymns were in the same spirit. I'm just using a famous one. And people of his own day were keen on his wording there. They disliked it. It's why some premills of the time vandalized his lyrics and rearranged them to "The Lord will come". Among other things.

>>856561

>The truth is that Christ is coming back, no matter how many or how few in this world believe it.

No one said Christ isn't coming back. That isn't what either Postmill and Amill is about. Whoever told you that is misinforming you greatly. Both teach the second Advent. The difference is they place as much importance on the First Advent.

Jesus' foes have already been made his footstool. Before he ascended he said, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and earth." - Matthew 28:18. What part of that don't you understand? Paul also described Jesus' ascension as a royal Triumph parade, "When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men." -Ephesians 4:7. Yet you're off in lala land interpreting a Davidic psalm written 1000 years prior as still being unfulfilled, when Jesus told you he fulfilled it.

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8c181e No.856564

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>>856563

>No one said Christ isn't coming back.

Yes but I say he is a real person, not an allegory.

>That isn't what either Postmill and Amill is about.

It's about saying that man will actually corporately become God, and that everything in the Bible is just an allegory for inner enlightenment, or some such thing. It's about letting you define what you think these things mean to you rather than believing and having faith in the Savior straightforwardly. If you entertain doubts about God, then its the easiest, most morally relativist and subjective to interpretation way you can possibly go. Yet what did the apostle Peter write in 2 Peter 1:20—

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

>Before he ascended he said, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and earth." - Matthew 28:18.

It also says in Hebrews 2:8-9 this:

<"Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

<But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

It also says in 1 Corinthians 15:

<"For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

<The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

<For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him."

>Yet you're off in lala land interpreting a Davidic psalm written 1000 years prior as still being unfulfilled, when Jesus told you he fulfilled it.

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eb650e No.856667

>1 hour

Could I get a summary?

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7a8e46 No.856927

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Islamic Eschatology Based

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86c3b2 No.856906 [Open thread]

This pdf version has these corrections on page 216 in the commentary section:

1) The text "Egyptian, Assyrian, Media-Persian," was changed to

"Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Media-Persion,"

2) The text "Khalifa" was changed to "khalifa"

To reiterate and remind:

Too many "end of the world" books and movies focus on the kingdom of darkness,

and on the their power to destroy.

They are altogether nothing in comparison to the Power of God,

and the Eternal Life that He brings: Jesus Christ, His Son!!

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f862cb No.856898 [Open thread]

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2021/december/un-sculpture-looks-a-lot-like-the-end-times-beast-referred-to-in-daniel-7-and-revelation-13

♫I know that your powers of retention, are as wet as a warthog's backside.♫

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05e20a No.856883 [Open thread]

I'm glad to hear that there are still a few havens left where feminist, materialist cultural imperalism hasn't taken hold over mankind's natural urge and need to reproduce. Don't let biased, hateful and medically inaccurate articles like this ruin your appreciation for the way nature works.

Women should breed as soon as they start Turning Red. It's better for their physical and mental health, better for the children, and better for society. Paraguay may have many problems, but they're right about this.

I hope the Socialist-Capitalist conspiracy never takes over this tiny remaining oasis, extolling them with the "joys" of school, industrial work, abortion and childlessness, and they can remain a beacon to the rest of the world until the day comes when the change we want will spread over the world again!

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/nov/30/paraguay-child-teen-pregnancies

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abf88e No.856861 [Open thread]

If we could have a discussion,

regarding such.

Gratitude.

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289488 No.856875

I'm not sure what you are asking.

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405eae No.856867 [Open thread]

Too many "end of the world" books and movies focus on the kingdom of darkness,

and on the their power to destroy.

They are altogether nothing in comparison to the Power of God,

and the Eternal Life that He brings: Jesus Christ, His Son!!

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c769aa No.856853 [Open thread]

Being a Christian is the ultimate beta move. Here’s why:

Joseph was cucked by the Holy Spirit. Mary was a whore for the spirit. Jesus was both a cuckson and a whoreson… the ultimate beta. As a young man, Jesus surrounded himself by strictly male disciples… he was a faggot.

Why would you worship a cucked whoreson beta faggot? What does that make his followers?

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f8b579 No.856862

Bible has a sentence for god.

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ce3dbd No.856838 [Open thread]

Hi I don't care ,so here you go

Psalm 89:[34]! ←- I will not violate my covenant

or alter what my lips have uttered.

Heaven and earth hasn't pass away.Why do you think the law as been done

away?How do you fulfill a contract,or law,you do them. Matthew 5:17-20 King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven

: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:21-22

I Never Knew You

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name,

and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.

Malachi 3

6 “For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed. 7 From the days of your fathers you have turned aside from my statutes and have not kept them.

Exodus 23:13

13 “Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard from your mouth.

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f8c0e9 No.856849

>>856838

The law has not been done away, in fact it has been far intensified. No longer is it said, "do not murder" but even "do not consider anger". All words are now oaths, all glances must be pure entirely. We must love our enemies as ourselves. The law is now (and has always been) humanly impossible. We must become Children of God to fulfill it even in part, and the whole of it will not be possible until this life has past away for most people. But we may be forgiven now for our transgression by the same means put forth in the old law: sacrifice, the perfect and enduring sacrifice of Christ.

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