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>>718277

Are you only asking about psychoactive substances?

Most of them are in fact poisonous, and meant to deter organisms that would otherwise feed on the organism that produces the substance.

The problem is that humans are nuts.

>>718277

>Why did God put them on this Earth?

Because they arent bad themselves. Humans are the one who give the creation its moral value (I dont know how to formulate it correctly, this one is close enough).

You can use cannabis to make a cure or get stoned, but if you decide the latter, dont blame it on the cannabis, but on yourself for this shitty decision. Everything was made good and can be used for good.

>What’s up with drugs?

They are bad

>Why did God put them on earth?

Humans made drugs, not God.

It's like blaming God for nuclear weapons

This is just a personal hypothesis, but I think a lot of natural psychedelics are leftovers from the original state of man and the world, they could have been designed as a way for God to communicate with Man when and if the time was right, but Adam disobeyed God and all of creation fell. I think psychedelics do indeed open you up to higher spiritual complexities, however for fallen man they open you up to possibly malicious beings that want to deceive you and destroy you. We need to remember that we're fallen beings, Christ revealed the way through his gospel and the church, the narrow path, and broad is the way to destruction, there are no shortcuts.

>>718304

The word is written in our hearts, though I don't think the content of an hallucination is important until interpretation is done after the fact. In this is how people can express legitimate divine knowledge. Because hallucination is warped senses, it has nothing to do with any intelligible meaning, because that is also warped. But that somehow we can make meaning, out of our experience unto life is the heart of religion, at least in most part. In this Gods wisdom is given by interpretation, not directly as in most situations.

Why make this thread?

>God made all plants and animals

>God made cannabis

>God made man

>God gives man endocannabinoid system

>Tells man all seed bearing plants are meat for us

>Man consumes cannabis for thousands of years without issue

>fast forward to 1937

>Textile companies bribed Congress and made hemp illegal which inadvertently included cannabis

>2018 and people now think cannabis use is a sin

>>718277

There are probably very useful things we can do with all of them.

Weed is the easiest to talk about. Cannabis has tons of useful properties. There's a pill you can take that isn't psychoactive that has the good effects. Or you could smoke it.

Everything has a proper use. Just because it has an improper use doesn't mean it's useless or evil.

Gee why did God put poison ivy on this earth?

>>718297

There are hundreds of xanthines, alkaloids, opioids and so on that naturally occur in plants, animals, and fungi. Like caffeine (a xanthine of coffee), theobromine (a xanthine of cacao), cocaine (a tropane alkaloid of the coca plant), and so on.

In my opinion, marijuana is basically completely useless and detrimental. It lowers IQ.

But things like ergot lysergamides and other psychedelics I'm not so sure of. They have been shown to have pretty much no psychological or physiological dependency or harm even at "heroic" doses. They do stimulate dendritic growth and increase creativity. But on the other hand, they could open you up to undesireable feelings.

was weed in the Garden of Eden?

Ex-psychonaut reporting in, have experience with almost all drugs in abundance

AMA

>>718565

>hey guys i'm so COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL DRUGZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

>>718568

Mm, no, Catechism states that all drug use is for strictly therapeutic grounds only. I regret most of my use, but experience is experience and I’m willing to answer questions. Those uneducated sometimes fall into the trap of thinking that dosing correlates with spirituality.

>>718565

well, what insights did you gain?

>>718576

Insight? It’s hard to describe. I would like to state first that all drugs are distortions of your neurological functions, so insight isn’t something that you’re getting. However, I was able to experience a “different” reality, which has helped me to understand certain concepts. For instance, when I dosed DMT, I witnessed a hyper plane. The plane stretched on infinitely in perfect flatness. As I said, this is simply a delusion, but I’ve never been able to “see” a hyper plane sober. This has helped my mind *somewhat* comprehend higher forms of consciousness. I don’t mean this in a gnostic/chakra way. It’s sort of like imagining yourself inside a sphere and seeing the entirety of the sphere, all degrees, simaltaneously. It’s impossible to comprehend until you experience it.

The most important for me was the conviction I would feel on the rising first wave of an acid trip. It was as if paranoia was exacerbated by the drug, and I would feel as if I was dying, and that the veil was being taken down and I could see all my mistakes. It was that “it’s too late” feeling, like I didn’t have any more time to rectify my mistakes. It helped put the fear of God in me, and is very hard to explain.

After what I’ve learned about demons, drugs like acid can put you into a trance like state which makes you extremely susceptible. Some say they are able to achieve the 4D visuals through years of meditation alone, and acid is sort of like a short cut, but overall God is the only thing that can fill the void in the heart of the user, for he is using drugs to either escape or find answers.

i've done quite a fair share of drugs, high doses of psychedelics and dissociatives etc.

actually i have gained some pretty good insight into how certain drugs work. in fact i'm fairly certain, and this is as far as i can tell a unique thought, of how particularly LSD and mushrooms actually work. like why you see patterns and colors and sort and so on, and why you feel the way you feel etc. I won't go into that now.

Is it real? Yes it is real to an extent. The spiritual world is the world of concepts. We actually all operate on concepts, we see things and then translate them to concepts in our mind and that's how we interact with the world. This is the same (to an extent) of Plato's theory of forms. So, when you disassociate, it is similar to being purely in the spiritual / conceptual plane. Same thing happens with dreaming. It's really not that different from dreaming, except it's not natural and you don't have control. The main issue with all this stuff is that you are extremely susceptible to demonic influences and most of what you experience there is nonsense. Demons love to lie. Now the thing is that most people aren't really sure what angels and demons are. They're basically like computer programs, they have no body, they are just like programs operating on this conceptual plane. They can however insert things into your "computer", like pop up windows and such. That's how they communicate with us (at least to an extent). When you're going to sleep or something and you get some messed up image in your head, it could very well be a demon. The more disassociated you are from the conscious world, the easier it is to interact with spiritual entities. When you are sleeping and dreaming you're in the spiritual / conceptual plane. This is why even God communicates to many people in their dreams. States of ecstacy are the same as disassociation, they are caught up in the spiritual world, except they are communicating with God, and not just roaming around the spiritual realm having demons mind rape them.

All these psychedelic type drugs are the worst kind of drugs though for anyone to try. If you do it, you do it, I mean it's like fornicating or something, i'd recommend not doing it either, but like St. Augustine, sometimes your experience of sin (just like mine) can help people. But actually i'd compare psychs to like experimenting with being a tranny, and stuff like alcohol, coke, meth, opiates etc to be like fornication. Sure some people have an addictive personality or addictive traits, and if you push anything too far you can get messed up (especially stimulant paralysis), but seriously the whole psych stuff really can mess your head up to know end, especially if you don't have a strong mind, and you buy into the nonsense that you experience.

I know long term psych users and long term other addicts, and almost everyone knows that their coke habit is bad and isn't healthy, just like most drinkers or smokers know they should cut down. Psychs are different, people believe that it's enlightening them and they're like a genius and shit and they are totally wacked out and kooky and really they lose their mind. They're convinced they are healthy and experiencing new realities and are on the point of a breakthrough and all this other nonsense. Weed is a light psych, on very high doses of weed you have similar effects. And oh look what other users of a drug say the same nonsense that it's totally fine and you should be using this drug all the time and there's almost never too much etc, weed smokers.

No drinker who even if they're an alcoholic, thinks that it's fine to be drinking all day. They know they're winnie the pooh up and that's that. That's why I say in many senses it's safer, you dont drink to think you're some enlightened being experiencing the new realities. You just want to get a kick, some pleasure, just simple.

Anyways I wouldn't recommend doing any hard drug really, but having seen a lot of the psych stuff, I can tell you, don't do them if you haven't. Now to answer your question honestly, is there some benefit to it? Well there is in the same way there's a benefit to an ex tranny telling people that trannyism is BS, and they may have insights into the mind of being a tranny, but it doesn't mean you should try being a tranny for a while too to get this knowledge.

Although I do believe I do have some insights into how the mind works and after having not done anything for quite a while, I do think I have some actually interesting thoughts (which go strongly with religion/Christianity), I wouldn't recommend anyone to do it to gain any insight. I know many people who've done it too who don't have a coherent thought in their head, and I think I was only allowed to have some knowledge by the Grace of God.

tl;dr those drugs are shit don't do them