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File: 7a62be11c91257a⋯.jpg (57.47 KB,640x425,128:85,sourdoughstarter1.jpg)

 No.13137 [Open Thread]

I need some help from /ck/'s sourdough bakers here.

>first few days are fine, looking doughy.

>figured it's going slow because of winter temperatures.

>one day it smells strong and funny, I wonder if this is the "acetone" smell that the forums I looked up on it talked about.

>have some old, leftover pineapple that's smelling a bit bread-ish, pineapple juice helps with sourdough, maybe this should work!

>juice the pineapple, strain the pulp.

>fed the starter a little more flour this time, with the pineapple juice.

>next day

it's fucking liquid

>did I fuck something up?

>reading online says that feeding it a bit more helped this person…

>three days of feeding, it's still liquid. smell is still strong. there are a few bubbles, but not as much as I did before I added the pineapple juice.

How fucked am I /ck/? is this even worth fixing?

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 No.13159

>>13152

That's because assholes cut your shine to save money, they put shit in there that isn't for human consumption such as methanol. There is supposedly a small amount produced from fermentation which is concentrated during the distillation process, a good shiner tosses the foreshot and after as it contains fusile oils and supposedly methanol though you can hold on to it and refine it, it tastes like shit but probably won't kill you…

Tl;dr they doctored the alcohol.

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 No.13213

>>13159

well, if you don't control your ferment or distillation you can wind up with more methanol than ethanol. legal ethanol is already so fucking cheap that there's hardly any sense to making moonshine unless you are making huge batches and have a customer base, or you have no idea what you're getting into. this sounds like the latter.

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 No.13217

>>13213

Well there's the problem that because it is illegal to distill here in the US no one actually tries to see how much methanol is created, because to prove or disprove the amount is asking to be arrested. Maybe if all you got was the first shot I could see that being a problem. To make methanol in larger amounts than ethanol I would think you would need a different process entirely.

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 No.13219

>>13213

>legal ethanol is already so fucking cheap that there's hardly any sense to making moonshine

Exactly. Platinum 7x runs about $10 per liter around here, and you have to fucking hate yourself to go much cheaper.

I personally wouldn't consider an illicit moonshine costing over $2/L, just can't afford to save that much money

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 No.13229

>>13219

Well I do know that cheap vodka can actually be made decent, run it through an unused water filter a couple of times, it'll take out most of the nasty shit.

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 No.9525 [Open Thread]

Recommend some very low-budget food plans that are also long lasting.

Think along the lines of:

>poor people on welfare

>poor college students

>possibly homeless

Try to aim for nutrition and less than 5 dollars per day. This means that you can spend more than 5 dollars to acquire supplies, but try to keep the amount of supplies used to about 5 dollars worth per day.

Hardmode (optional): food that preserves well and lasts

I'll start.

1. Pemmican

2. Hardtack

3. Frozen stews made from potatoes, cabbage, sausage, and various scavanged greens.

Related video isn't that bad.

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 No.11990

File: df0c49f0a00c56e⋯.png (223.49 KB,286x353,286:353,1479022716815.png)

>>11828

>garlic + oil can make botulism

wait, what the fuck?? this is seriously the first ive heard of this.

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 No.11991

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 No.12008

>>11990

Literally any unsterilized food if it's been infected + no air conditions can give you botulism. It's not all that bad tho, you can still eat such stuff if stored in a refrigerator for less than a month.

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 No.12009

>>12008

i've used refridgerated garlic that has been submerged in olive oil that was over a year old with no effects. Nice blueish/green color to it.

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 No.13198

File: 9284ea2822da0a8⋯.jpg (53.6 KB,450x299,450:299,vegetableturnover1940s[1].jpg)

File: 60b5ebc69fc2395⋯.jpg (54.2 KB,371x500,371:500,51SW0k5Y3 L[1].jpg)

Get a British rationing cookbook, skip the crap that's clearly "I've had to make every meal with this limited pantry for 5 years, I want something that tastes vaguely like _" and add cheese whenever you can because we don't have to ration it.

Also spaghetti, tomato sauce (fry some fresh or frozen vegetables before you start heating it) and cheese.

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File: 9725daed009e84b⋯.jpg (246.33 KB,936x624,3:2,2139021.jpg)

 No.12384 [Open Thread]

So I had a cup of BK Joe with minimal cream and sugar early this week, and it was probably the best coffee I ever had. I've been trying to replicate the taste with my coffee at home and from the local gas station and it just isn't meeting the standard. It just isn't the same. What the fuck are they doing to their coffee to make it, possibly addictive?

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 No.13111

>>12384

Well caffeine itself can be addictive. You seem to have low standards for coffee if Burger King impresses you :P.

Okay, I've never had coffee from Burger King but I'll try to help. So from the site it seems all the info we have on their coffee is that they use Arabica beans. Which is to be expected, almost everywhere uses arabica beans except instant coffee which is robusta coffee beans, and some blends of arabica and robusta.

Factors that play into a good cup include when the beans were roasted, and then when they were ground up. Roasted coffee should stay fresh for about a couple of weeks if kept in a container, ground coffee's freshness lasts for a few minutes to a few hours.

So if you're making them at home, it's best to use the roasted coffee beans as soon as you grind them. Make sure the water you use to brew them is not boiling water, but a few degress off of a boil, approx 200F/93C

I'm assuming you're using the American-style drip brewing method right?

Any questions?

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 No.13112

>>13111

Oh wow, I didn't realise this thread was over half a year old

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 No.13113

>>13112

*two months, fucking American date format.

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 No.13115

I used to work in fast food and can tell you most fast food coffees are made by mixing water with some kind of coffee-flavored syrup. Nasty stuff, you oughta avoid it.

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 No.13134

>>13111

Best cup of coffee I ever had was at Olive Garden of all places. I was actually kind of shocked when I took the first sip. It had a rich nuanced flavor, and was only vaguely bitter. It was probably just a fluke. This was around 2004. I don't think I've even been to an Olive Garden since.

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File: 6e8daf67f142e8c⋯.jpg (2.13 MB,4128x3096,4:3,20180205_015716.jpg)

 No.13132 [Open Thread]

cozy hours

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File: 8df9270917a8687⋯.jpeg (861.88 KB,3500x2333,3500:2333,19a1b0ce-efe2-4460-9500-f….jpeg)

 No.12998 [Open Thread]

PRESS F TO PAY RESPECTS

Paul Bocuse, the most celebrated French chef of the postwar era and a leading figure in the pathbreaking culinary movement known as nouvelle cuisine, died on Saturday, his family said in a statement. He was 91.

Mr. Bocuse emerged as the first among a brilliant band of chefs who developed a modernized version of classic French cooking in the late 1960s and early ’70s, cheered on by Henri Gault and Christian Millau, the publishers of the influential Gault-Millau Guide. Following the lead of Fernand Point, the spiritual father of nouvelle cuisine and a mentor to many of its pioneers, Mr. Bocuse shaped a style of cooking at the Auberge du Pont de Collonges, his three-star restaurant near Lyon, that stressed fresh ingredients, lighter sauces, unusual flavor combinations and relentless innovation that, in his case, rested on a solid mastery of classic technique.

His signature dishes not only pleased the palate; they also seduced the eye and piqued the imagination. He stuffed sea bass with lobster mousse and encased it in pastry scales and fins. He poached a truffled Bresse chicken inside a pig’s bladder.

His most famous dish was truffle soup V.G.E., a heady mixture of truffles and foie gras in chicken broth, baked in a single-serving bowl covered in puff pastry. First served at a dinner at the Élysée Palace in 1975, the soup was named for the French president Valéry Giscard d’Estaing, who had just awarded Mr. Bocuse the French Legion of Honor.

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 No.13037

File: 32135202a9ef17c⋯.jpg (504.67 KB,965x617,965:617,20112011191034_bocuse-17.jpg)

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 No.13039

File: 06d00ef4ea656a7⋯.jpg (1.62 MB,1096x1410,548:705,1456638110707.jpg)

He was a great chef and not so great as a human bean methinks. The soup story shows his asslicking levels, that's disgusting and degrading for the Legion of Honour. Also he was heavily cucking his wife with two sluts at the same time basically being close to living like a family of degenerates. And copperware overkill in his restaurant shows in attempt of looking classy he wasn't being gentle to his workmen.

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 No.13040

>>12998

>the soup was named for the French president Valéry Giscard d’Estaing, who had just awarded Mr. Bocuse the French Legion of Honor.

Wait, you mean the soup was created after he got the award? I've heard that soup was the very reason of him getting it.

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 No.13081

>>13040

The soup was created for the award ceremony. He got the award for everything he had accomplished so far, then went ahead and created something utterly outrageous to celebrate.

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 No.13085

>>13081

In this case I need to apologize.

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File: 3665c7285a19573⋯.png (6.5 KB,479x105,479:105,C178993A-D74B-4120-A3A2-3C….png)

 No.12788 [Open Thread]

Just got a Vitamix for its myriad uses in the kitchen but wanted to know if and how /ck/ uses it in their kitchen. Among the uses relevant to me will be homemade nut butters, fresh almond milk, smoothies, and possibly homemade grain milling.

Would appreciate any ideas and recipes you might have.

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 No.12928

>>12917

Your teeth get sore and loose after a couple weeks. I was on a liquid diet for awhile and I had to start chewing gum or else the pain would creep back in after a few days.

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 No.12947

Does anyone else have a Vitamix? I've been curious how to make good sorbets since the Vitamix site recipes are made by the company owner's granddaughter or something like that and they're literally all dogshit.

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 No.12957

>>12917

Jaw muscle atrophy is one of them as well as problems with teeth which the other anon suggested but the other is the motion of chewing triggers signals in your brain to make you feel full and start digestion. Slamming ready processed food into your gut like that isn't great for your digestion and often results in over eating. Short term it's harmless but as a lifestyle choice you'll find you're getting diarrhea and stomach cramps. Long term (say years) you're risking serious degradation of the muscles and lining of your bowel so when you start back on solids again you're likely to get tears.

Personally I really like liquid meals especially on the go but as a replacement for normal eating it's not good.

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 No.13030

We use them in the kitchen for Purees/Soups, grounding spices, Smoothies and all that

Robocoup>Vitamix tbh

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 No.13041

>>12947

it's a tool, so no i don't really know any vitamix-specific recipes, but like the above posts, it's great for emulsions and purees and smooth soups/sauces

>>13030

anon, they're for different things, but i'll agree that robot-coupes can do -more- things and take attachments.

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File: cabb7b3b222f803⋯.png (313.49 KB,497x297,497:297,beer.png)

 No.12994 [Open Thread]

Does /ck/ like beer festivals. I'm going to the pizza and craft beer one in bakersfield today. the ticket was 30 bucks so my ubers are almost gonna be just as expensive as the tickets

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 No.13008

File: 1156eba4dedecdb⋯.jpg (19.58 KB,319x303,319:303,14692893637920.jpg)

I'm a beerfag since 14 and I'd love to visit them, but I ain't got time for anything.

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 No.13015

File: 85d11d86e7ac34e⋯.png (1.52 KB,557x77,557:77,ClipboardImage.png)

>this error message

OK

>>12994

>beer festivals

Best we get are multicultural food festivals and night markets. I would go to one if there was one nearby.

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 No.13025

Nothing like getting drunk at a German sausage fest. https://wurstfest.com/

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File: 98fb8cf3b6bb8cf⋯.png (169.53 KB,400x267,400:267,chateau-pont-rilly.png)

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 No.12970 [Open Thread]

What is your dream kitchen set up?

Personally, I'm a fan of rustic kitchens. Especially old French country. Ideally, the house would be more of a farm - with all sorts of poultry and livestock, Ponds stocked with fish/crustaceans, and game animals.There would also be gardens/orchards for the kitchen. Inside the actual kitchen itself, there would be a nice antique wood-fired cast iron stove/oven, with a backup gas range. All of the cookware would be cast iron or earthen/stoneware.

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 No.12979

File: a582a216907c52b⋯.jpg (116.9 KB,826x827,826:827,19437782_10158767971045408….jpg)

i've always had an extreme hard-on for wood stoves… recently a 6-eye with oven came up on my local yard sale fb group for $900, and i literally salivated; i'd still want the convenience of modern amenities, but the price of induction burner countertop ranges has gone way down in the last few years and it would be totally feasible in a dream kitchen to have both the lowest and highest tech stove setup. stick a free-standing double convection in there while we're at it, modern tech is the shit.

i'd like an island in addition to wraparound counters centered around a window, with industry style steel racks anywhere it wouldn't make sense to have a continuous countertop encompassing the work triangle.

the fridge would be water-access double door with a pullout bottom shelf freezer; more energy efficient and way more space if you know wtf you're doing with your stores. a separate dry storage closet that doesn't deal with the changing heat and humidity of a kitchen will double dry goods' shelf life.

cookware would be a mix of industry standard bare aluminum and french steel sautee pans, a chinese wok with accompanying burner stuck in some corner underneath the restaurant hood vent i should have mentioned earlier. le creuset enameled cast iron would make up the bulk of the actual cooking implements, but a ceramic roasting pan with high lid, a wide, low sided bare cast iron skillet, and a single high quality ceramic/teflon egg pan would be notable additions.

since it's just a fantasy i want an autoclave style dishwasher that i don't have to think about past emptying out the trap every night. 900F steam blowing at all directions means you don't have to scrub shit, and most of the pans described don't need more than a gentle sponging in a sink.

>>12978

double ovens are super handy, and convection ovens with a fan you can turn off doubly so. it's like a quadruple oven setup if you think about it.

jokes aside, it's very convenient having something hot and fast for roasting but also a low anPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.12981

File: 3cd0dec1864ecfb⋯.jpg (294.8 KB,1500x999,500:333,10234560-paul-bocuse-les-p….jpg)

>>12970

They look gorgeous but they're impossible to keep clean. All the scents and grease are being soaked up by the old wood and stone. Kitchen sinks in marble are an absolute disaster.

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 No.12982

>>12981

couldn't you get sealed granite for the aesthetic and durability and just have a marble slab on one section for heatsink qualities?

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 No.12988

File: 34715e03c801f44⋯.jpg (173 KB,940x872,235:218,7c5341ff713b4d.jpg)

>>12970

Probably something like this. I had a couple of courses at a professional kitchen with all the stations and shit and if you like to cook there's nothing better than this.

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 No.12989

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>12979

My range oven and my toaster oven are already both convection ovens. Damn right my wall mounted double ovens would be convection as well.

The LOWEST tech stove would in fact be a hearth… basically a stone table to build a fire on. A step up from that would be a hearth with a brick oven integrated. Cast iron cook stoves are quite high tech… almost as convenient as modern cooktops.

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File: b6cf1836ef33745⋯.jpeg (196.19 KB,900x900,1:1,DPpxws2WkAAgDWe.jpeg)

 No.12911 [Open Thread]

Help please.

I need to find out how to cook non dinner meals or snacks that are not sweet that my husband can eat.

Im new to cooking.

He dont like sweet things like ice cream and banana bread/cakes.

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 No.12913

>>12912

He dont like bacon

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 No.12914

>>12911

Step 1: Realize you're not a woman. You're a mentally ill man who needs to be treated.

Step 2: Ask him what he likes to eat.

Step 3: Make it.

If these instructions are too hard kill yourself tranny faggot

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 No.12916

>>12913

Who doesn't like bacon? Jews, muzzies and vegans. Really makes you think

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 No.12918

Trash thread. Go shitpost on half/ck/ if you really want to.

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 No.12934

test

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 No.11680 [Open Thread]

Post your bakes! Yeasted or chemical

I do mostly yeasted breads and have been dabbling in natural yeast for the past month or so.

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 No.12868

>>12843

I know. I think I didn't use enough yeast, but they still tasted good.

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 No.12895

What's your pick: einkorn, kamut, or other?

IMO kamut is fluffier and tastier but more expensive.

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 No.12904

File: 64386fb59c1043d⋯.jpeg (1.43 MB,1024x587,1024:587,IMAGE.JPEG)

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 No.12909

Anyone have any tips for making pumpernickel? Store near me has whole dark rye flour.

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 No.12910

Ok, I changed my mind, I don't have the time or electricity to make genuine pumpernickel. I guess I'll make Schwarzbrot instead. Anyone got tight Schwarzbrot game and willing to share?

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File: eb9219e29b72e4b⋯.png (905.82 KB,735x551,735:551,ClipboardImage.png)

 No.12883 [Open Thread]

Should you toast ground spices too or is this meme only whole ones?

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 No.12888

You can toast ground or whole spices, but it is easier not to burn whole spices and they are less stale.

If you care enough to toast your spices, a trip to the ethnic grocery store and a spice grinder are in order.

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 No.12892

>>12888

Checked

>spice grinder

I'll just use a mortar and pestle tbh, maybe smash it between two bricks if that isn't enough

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 No.12897

>>12892

You can use a mortar and pestle, but a lot of people I know just get an extra chopper style coffee grinder or a small pepper mill for the purpose.

May want to sieve the spices after, sometimes the pieces don't get small enough.

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 No.12899

>>12887

Pepper burns easily too and gives a bitter taste

>>12883

It's an Indian thing, they do it with ground spices too, with great results. If you're making curry, go for it. For everything else: ask yourself: why? What does toasting do to the product I'm using?

>>12897

If you use a coffee grinder or blender the swirling blades will create heat, which in turn will toast your spices. If you use a pepper mill or pestle & mortar that wont happen, both have their use.

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 No.12900

>>12899

>If you're making curry, go for it. For everything else: ask yourself: why?

I do it for curries and chili con carne

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File: 4a6380a67251bff⋯.mp4 (5.2 MB,1280x720,16:9,scary pizza.mp4)

 No.12814 [Open Thread]

think of a food or drink

it is now an anime girl

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 No.12836

>Bourbon

A qt southern belle with a sweet side to her. One that likes to take things slow and relaxed.

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 No.12845

<Orange Juice

Shoulder-length straight hair, with bangs on the side with an average height with a slender physique, slightly tanned and with medium-sized breasts, a personality of being cheerful during the day but clumsy during night. No benis

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 No.12881

>Poutine

Jesus…I don't know where to even begin.

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 No.12882

>>12881

>Gravy on fries

This girl is a brown Elfgirl drawn by Synechdoche, that's all you need to say. She also plays Hockey.

>Cheese Curds

With the worst(best) kind of taste in DadJokes. Seriously, all the other Food-tans hate her because of the food-based punnery she does.

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 No.12951

Pork bun.

Thicc, pale Chinese waifu, big soft tiddies, cheerful, motherly demeanor.

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File: fc270f58c6a9db0⋯.jpeg (139.64 KB,1004x758,502:379,iu.jpeg)

 No.12797 [Open Thread]

Not everything in the kitchen goes according to plan. How have you screwed up, /ck/? I'll start.

>get invited to play a new board game

>decide to make lots of crème brûlée

>get to try an old recipe out with the new bigger sous vide bin

>mix ingredients like normal

>3x the water takes forever to heat up

>put mixed cream/eggs/sugar/nutmeg into the fridge

>wait some more

>put mix into jars

>put lids on jars lightly

>put first jar in bath

>*crack*

>oh well, still have five left

>put second jar in bath

>put third jar in now-opaque bath

>put fourth jar in bath

>*crack*

>put fifth jar in bath

>put sixth jar in bath

>set timer

>start cleaning mixing bowls

>bath sounds like a bowl of Rice Krispies taking a milk shower

>cook for an hour

>take out the jars

>three have no bottom attached

>three have a hairline fracture

>cool

>put in fridge

>decide to drown my sorrows in fruit-and-nut bars and eggnog

>pass time by dicking around on the internet

>go back to the fridge to see if any of the three survivors are OK

>open one

>smells and looks like watery questionable eggs

>open the second

>smells and looks like watery questionable eggs

>open the fPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.12805

File: 8bd4944eb84d1fa⋯.jpg (1.4 MB,2893x1875,2893:1875,8bd4944eb84d1fa0320c562016….jpg)

>>12797

>put mixed cream/eggs/sugar/nutmeg into the fridge

>put mix into jars

>put lids on jars lightly

>put first jar in bath

I'm not even mad, just disappointed. Please try harder to consider the consequences of your actions in the future.

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 No.12832

hahaha i love these. this happened to me a few days ago, not so much a screw up as much as a failure to plan.

>free meat from work spoiled, no meat in fridge, no money for store

>remember squash and carrots in crisper

>making vegetable soup

>realize liquid vegetarian food isn't very filling

>start making biscuits

>don't have a pastry cutter or foodpro

>chop up barely frozen butter and mix it with a knife into the flour into roughly pea sized gobs

>time to add the liquid!

>realize the milk spoiled that morning too, probably aided by the putrid meat fumes

>well i still have sour cream, i'll just add water

>biscuits don't rise, basically dry dumplings

they honestly weren't bad for the soup but i wanted biscuits dammit.

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File: 57dbbef16b391b3⋯.jpg (3.74 MB,5312x2988,16:9,20171218_163344.jpg)

 No.12753 [Open Thread]

so it's been a while since i cooked anything for y'all, but it's been slow as fuck so got my cell phone camera operational in time to show you fags at least one person here knows how to cook.

i got a pretty good looking chuck roast for about ten bucks. here it is salting down for about 45 minutes before i got my pan hot with what i'll be using today. it's a medium carrot, a rib of celery, a yellow onion, some garlic, bayleaves.

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 No.12787

File: 7776c61c4082f8a⋯.png (565.61 KB,799x936,799:936,7776c61c4082f8ad5a77652ff6….png)

>>12778

If by "dank" you mean merely adequate, then yes. What you made is the bare minimum for an acceptable pot roast.

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 No.12791

>>12787

excuse me for not spending more money and bringing out the caul fat for this midweek low effort meal. please, oh benevolent master, tell me what i should have done to elevate the humble pot roast to a standard that you would find acceptable. seriously, you took the time to reply to me and make sure i know that you think my food is average, but i don't see you cooking any food to prove you can do more than say cell phone pictures of food you can't taste is mediocre. i know you'll just reply again with a low-effort "u so mad bro ur food is gay" but honestly you should think about what you actually contributed to society this week.

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 No.12792

>>12791

>you'll just reply again with a low-effort "u so mad bro ur food is gay"

u did it 4 me

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 No.12801

>>12791

Meh, wouldn't worry too much.

I got a nice big chuck roast yesterday; onion, carrot, celery and 8 hours later it was well flavored and tender coming out from the slow cooker.

My hands still smell of onion.

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 No.12813

>>12787

yeah, nah, you're a cunt

polite sage

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 No.8311 [Open Thread]

What's the best way to cook pulled pork for pulled pork sandwiches in an oven?

-Braised in some kind of liquid, or roasted in a tray covered in some foil? Or uncovered?

-Marinated or not? What kind of marinade?

-BBQ sauce or not? What kind of sauce? Some kind of reduction from the pork?

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 No.12047

I'm a poorfag so I put pork butt in a slow cooker I found for free with a dry rub then pull it when it's done. I don't have much time to cook these days so sometimes I don't even bother removing the fat.

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 No.12781

File: 47b739b2bc578e7⋯.jpg (28.92 KB,665x574,95:82,47b[1].jpg)

File: 390157d1468600e⋯.jpg (7.45 KB,240x240,1:1,Barnyard-otis[1].jpg)

>>8318

>>11958

Guys, I tried this method and it turned out really good and tender. However, being a dumbfag and thinking the same rules apply, I tried with some veal I had and it came out a bit stringy and dry. How to veal?

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 No.12782

>>12781

Depends on the cut, "obviously".

Entirely different fat characteristic in veal vs pork, and the meat is much more tender… so plan on far shorter cooking times.

I would look at around 16 minutes under a broiler (on a roasting pan, without a dutch oven), rather than 12 hours in a low oven.

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 No.12784

>>12781

Veal is a very, very low-fat meat, and thus dries quickly. It's even recommended that you utilize lard whenever cooking veal to add moisturizing fat to your cook.

Smoked Veal is only good for Jerky.

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 No.12786

File: 0d4542bc08adaf6⋯.jpg (10.14 KB,480x360,4:3,bard.jpg)

>>12781

look up "how to bard meat"

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