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3ec2b3 No.6552 [Open Thread]

There  is no phenoumenal world, we imagine it.

Qualia != phenoumenal.

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780138 No.6566

>>6552

Elaborate

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d79b6c No.6882

>>6566

The OP is merely a pseudointellectual advocation of solipsism. The furthest one could get from subjective != objective (there is always a less pompous word that yet captures the same meaning of the statement in every possible meaningful way. qualiaty of thought > authority by obscurity) is not knowing whether there is an objective world - not knowledge grasped magically from the ether that there is no objective world.

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197a1c No.6807 [Open Thread]

Name one metaphysic that isn't ontological

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b24a13 No.6816

>>6807

Is your argument that ontology contains all of metaphysics?

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18fc7d No.6878

>>6816

That isn't my argument but would seem to be the case lest someone provide an example of otherwise.

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93f25f No.545 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

Your favorite 3 philosophers in order

1. Socrates
2. Nietzsche
3. Plato

pic related, that's Friedrich himself.
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79e1a0 No.6692

>>5969

That's my nigga.

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dc0cd4 No.6739

1. Rene Guenon

2. Thomas Aquinas

3. Blaise Pascal

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0c2fe5 No.6787

>>545

1. Wilde

2. Stirner

3. Epicurus

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e6731d No.6810

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>>825

Amen.

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fc84f6 No.6871

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>>6739

Based as fuck for listing Guénon. It amazes me how his writings get more and more relevant with time.

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e585ab No.1845 [Open Thread]

/philosophy/

What would the world be like if the Library of Alexandria was never destroyed?

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777602 No.5703

>>5684

Imagine an entire wall of writes about bump

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2a3da8 No.6846

I hate theoretical history but honestly we would likely be harvesting the energy of our sun by now, if humans only respected such a treasure now lost setting us back probably 10,000 years.

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193ff6 No.6847

>>1873

All of Aristotle's dialogues (yes, Aristotle wrote dialogues which were said by Cicero to be better than Plato's), and La Comedia were lost in the destruction of the Library. His lecture notes are all we have.

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881232 No.6851

>>6846

we are now harvestign energy of sun...

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7757a3 No.6865

>>1845

The early Christians destroyed the last of the books. Edward Gibbon wrote about how they burned them all because they thought some contained occult books or paganism. Christians created the dark ages.

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25653a No.6854 [Open Thread]

Jesus of Nazareth, 1977

https://imdb.com/title/tt0075520/

4 day viewing starting tomorrow December 18th-22nd 5 PM CST(11 PM UTC)

https://twitch.tv/a7runaway

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0a61db No.6855

>Twitch

Isn't Cytube more of 8chan's streaming platform?

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d3863d No.5845 [Open Thread]

Hello /philosophy/, I posted this on /new/ originally, but I figure you guys would have some valuable input too.

What do you think makes an image board, in the broadest sense of the word.

What ideas are they fundamentally based on? How best is an image board operated? e.g. In terms of moderation, its culture, and what it generally does. And finally, what should the purpose or end result of an image board be?

I will begin with a few relevant screencaps by anons on this issue.

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61a6b3 No.6687

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>>6071

I'll be honest and admit I used to be a narcist who had no interest in imageboards because you can't much make friends over time, or have a persona there. I only took an interest in image boards when I began to see 2ch as the online nexus of Japanese thought, and when I was unfairly banned from traditional forums for having non-PC thoughts. I have heard about how image boards used to be, but back then I was on real forums with avatars, signatures and private messing.

The lousy aspect about image boards is you cannot quickly differentiate who is uneducated from someone who is reputable. A vocal minority can take over a board like /pol/ and lower the common denominator to the toilet even if they have no background in political science. Traditional forums have longer posts because you're inclined to bother when come to you know other people, and feel assured they aren't simply trolling for responses. Image boards in time just devolve into stale memes.

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0b7a36 No.6723

I just want to comment that the religious boards like Islam and Christian are very censor happy, and fly against the original spirit of 8chan as a place of no censorship and very few rules. They're not indicative of the core idea of image boards which is freedom.

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e76129 No.6746

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Saw this post on endchan (https://endchan.net/operate/res/7122.html#7133) discussing similar topic. Summary:

>The foundations of the contemporary imageboard culture scenery can be generalised as:

>1 - Against online personal identification (anonymity)

>2 - Satirism and Irony (lulz)

>3 - Suspension of Belief (disregard about most of the mainstream media)

>4 - Subversion of authority (all mods are always treated as

someone not so important; see point 2)

>Although not a rule for all boards, it can also be generalised that:

>5 - Japanese culture is a influence

>6 - Most of the people are introverted

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0f5f23 No.6798

>>6746

/tv/ misses all 4 points.

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8ed97b No.6837

>What ideas are they fundamentally based on?

anonymity

>How best is an image board operated? e.g. In terms of moderation, its culture, and what it generally does.

baning nonvirgins, flooders, cancer, spamers, advertisers

>And finally, what should the purpose or end result of an image board be?

pleasure

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995f20 No.1754 [Open Thread]

I always enjoyed this philographics, however I don't think it's complete, once I've posted them all can philosophers and thinkers alike help me create new ones with the correct symbols.

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995f20 No.1794

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995f20 No.3142

these could all make great flags

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995f20 No.3148

>>1759

>>1758

That is neither anthropocentrism nor collectivism

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288bc6 No.6834

Interesting

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269a66 No.6835

>minimalism

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a59e41 No.6821 [Open Thread]

Why was he so reviled in his time?

Also side question:

Why was Kojeve so critical of Spinoza and Descartes? I know a lot of people (liberals usually) are enthralled by the latter two, and I rarely see Kojeve mentioned anywhere.

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5a4361 No.6422 [Open Thread]

If knowledge is defined as justified true belief, then agnostic belief, if it is not an irrelevant proclamation of feeling, is simply justified true belief in a plausibility. If someone "believes but they're not sure," their belief can be equated either to knowledge of a quantified plausibility, e.g. "There is a 70% chance this is true," or a feeling, e.g. "I feel like this is true but I don't know." A claim of agnostic belief is therefore either equivalent to a claim of knowledge, or a proclamation of feeling that is justifiedly ignored.

So why the existence of the term? Well if there are no other possible reasons, the implicit conclusion is deception. The specification of "agnostic," by virtue of the apparent necessity of its specification, implies gnostic belief is possible and that one holds other, gnostic beliefs, which, by virtue of the presumed necessity of logical justification for a gnostic belief, implies there is logical justification for the specification of "agnostic," which could only be a quantified plausibility. The term is used to give this impression, and yet so that when pressed to reveal said logical justification, one can incorrectly and deceptively cite "agnostic," that they thus don't actually know anything, and thus have nothing to defend.

Mentioning one's own epistemology at all is just a big red herring; it has no place in debate; and it should only if ever be shared as nothing more than a cool factoid about one's self -- because there is no such thing as an agnostic or gnostic position. Whether one believes they can tell the difference between knowledge and belief is irrelevant. Neither is anything more than a statement of feeling. If someone says "I believe but I don't know this thing to be true," or "I know this thing to be true," either way the only proper response in debate would be "Prove it."

>inb4 someone contests that I can't disagree with "established" epistemology

Well, I can, and I don't. Nor does what you've read on wikipedia or from any atheist 'philosopher' constitute epistemology. The "science" is never "settled" so to speak, unless you're an idiot.

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f010ae No.6520

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>>6422

Beginning my first foray into the study of epistemology, so forgive me if I turn out to be a dumbass.

First, why ignore someone's epistemology? People can and do have different standards for what the "justified" part of "justified true belief" is. You even kind of agree with this when you claim, "The science is never settled-". My threshold for justification could theoretically be so absolute and unyielding that I refuse to accept anything outside of the existence of my own awareness as knowledge.

Second, my understanding of what an agnostic belief is, is that it's simply a belief that one does not hold as knowledge. That could mean anything from, "I feel really strongly that X is true," "I have blind faith that X is true" or "I have 52% confidence that X is true based on the data, but that does not meet my threshold for what I consider justification." An agnostic belief is simply a belief without claiming truth and justification.

A gnostic belief, on the other hand, would be an actual claim to knowledge, justified and true. It's right there in your image, too.

>then agnostic belief ... is simply justified true belief in a plausibility

This is a gnostic belief if it's justified and true. It's a justified true belief that a proposition is =possible==, not an agnostic belief in that proposition. A proposition cannot be true if that same proposition cannot ==possibly== be true.

Have a good one.

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af5f80 No.6543

>mr. agnostic, do tou believe in God?

>no

Reminder agnosticism does not exist and religion is on or off

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03b159 No.6702

>>6543

what if I answered the question "I don't know."?

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377012 No.6750

>inb4 someone contests that I can't disagree with "established" epistemology

>Well, I can, and I don't. Nor does what you've read on wikipedia or from any atheist 'philosopher' constitute epistemology. The "science" is never "settled" so to speak, unless you're an idiot.

The problem is that by the looks of things you haven't even studied epistemology. Feel free to disagree with others in epistemology, but don't act like you can just ignore the major issues in epistemology and expect to be taken seriously.

For example, you haven't put forward clear definitions of the terms you are using. For example, do you hold the position that knowledge must be infallible or do you think that information gathered by a generally reliable means can be considered knowledge?

Without giving a detailed explanation of what you mean by 'knowing' something as opposed to believing in it, it isn't even possible to start a conversation on the distinction between gnostic and agnostic belief.

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423208 No.6808

>>6702

Got'em

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ef847f No.6383 [Open Thread]

Awkwardly worded question aside what is at the core of human fear? What is the most accurate description of it from an existential point of view?

Having read Thomas Ligotti and Peter Wessel Zapffe it would seem that their vision of the human condition is a miserable one as man having been endowed with the rational to examine his own position in the galaxy as intrinsically without purpose.

H.P Lovecraft capitalized on this feeling of cosmic indifference and nihilism as the main driving force behind his horror novels however I have to wonder if this actually constitutes as fear...

That seem to be the general consensus, at least I've perceived as such, that the most frightening concept for people is to die, dissolve and be forgotten but this is true of all things. Do animals fear the prospect of being forgotten? I doubt it.

Is will to live the main defining attribute of fear? If there is no fear of death is there nothing left to fear?

Sorry if this come of as mouthbreathy and convoluted. I'll elaborate further as best I can.

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71b6eb No.6619

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Done

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7bb90c No.6620

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>>6598

Sure, this is what I was thinking as well, however that line of reasoning almost implies that if one where to not care about their genes or somehow learn to bypass their biological make-up then they could, theoretically, deprogram themselves from fear which I don't feel is correct.

Biologically speaking this may very well be the case but as humans we are not duty bound to nature and don't have any obligation to procreate in the manner that you are describing therefor our fear comes from something else : the uncertainty of our own deaths for example but even that answer I find vague.

Suicidal people can still feel fear, Nihilists can still feel fear, Antinatalists can still feel fear, Amoral people can still feel fear.

None of these groups of people fear the death of their mortal bodies, the possibility of their genes vanishing, the possibility of not being the fittest or their legacy being forgotten in the dunes.

So where does this fear come from?

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28391d No.6625

>>6620

I would say that your definition of a human’s biological makeup is too myopic. With our current knowledge of evolution, it is apparent that everything about every organic being, all actions, desires and urges (conscious or subconscious) have been programmed into the creature

via the principle of natural selection, so that traits which favour the survival of a species are passed down through the generations. This doesn’t simply mean the obvious biological urges - procreation, eating etc. It means the absolute totality of the being ultimately works to increase the probability of the survival of the species long-term, in the environment in which it evolved.

So essentially humans are born with an idiosycratic programming of different motivations, which, when summed across the species as a whole, benefit the continued propagation of that species. This means that a human motivation may only benefit the continued existence of a single human in a very specific scenario at one point or another. But because it was ultimately a positive, it remained in the gene pool. So at all other times where this motivation emerged, it seems useless or counterintuitive. But there’s only one reason why it’s there in the first place: it increases the probability of the propagation of the species. I call these motivations that emerge in a counterintuitive fashion imprecise motivations.

I think what I’m saying will make alot more sense with some examples. Let’s take a suicidal person (I can relate). When someone jumps off a bridge, we wonder how humans can be driven by the will to continue existing. However, let’s think about the motivations that drove the person to do this. Often the person has depression, a form of psychological pain which is a physiological response to perception of being on a lower strata in a dominance hierarchy (which means decreased probability of gene selection). This physiological system which causes depression evolved as a stimulus to prompt an individual to seek a way out of this potentially lethal situation (because they want to feel content/serotonin again). So the person seeks a way out of their pain. If the pain of the depression (which, as I just expPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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32716e No.6631

Fear comes from our lack of adaptability and understanding something similar.

eg. 1. We can fear trying new foods. You were raised to only eat western food you might feel fear to try food that doesn't look/smell like what you've adapted and understood.

2. You see a figure that is similar to a human but has an extended horror jawline, or like your pic. It's similar to humans what we're adapted and understanding of, yet from the differences it is hard to know for certain (doubt/fear)

3. Death, I say we fear death more in the western society because of the idea of keeping your physical body when you travel to the after life. What people fear is how there body is transported there and weather it is of their own volition.

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7c618d No.6735

Fear is about losing something you want to keep or gaining something you don’t.

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278956 No.6706 [Open Thread]

We are rich, are we not? At any point prior in our species history have we ever been as nourished in our physical needs? Are not not living longer lives? If we have such wealth, how can anyone take issue with this world we have made?

However, even in this paradise of the material, there lies an underlying problem. Even with our full bellies, decent health, and access to to incredible technology we still find a quiet desperation in ourselves and others. What can a wealthy man lack? Purpose.

In my opinion, a well lived life is one that affirms life itself. Life is not happiness alone. Fulfillment is seldom found in brief sensory excitement. Agony and delight are married. If agony is negated, so is joy and therefore life. Our Occidental impoverishment is not material, it is the impotence of a once strong man. Our emptiness stems from our denial of the Faustian and masculine spirits that endure pain. We have become weak and sterile and therefore our world decays.

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1485cb No.6727

>You need to know Y to appreciate X

That's a spook, boss.

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87524c No.6699 [Open Thread]

>>>/parthenon/ I think it would be a decent board to go to

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864bbe No.6701

>>6699

>banning anime

No.

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c160e1 No.6696 [Open Thread]

This is a definition of omnipotent:

To be capable of doing anything imaginable; illimitable, even by the universe (and beyond).

What do you feel about it? True or false?

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61473b No.6315 [Open Thread]

Happy Mother's Day!

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1e83fd No.6694

>>6315

You Motherfucker

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3d288f No.869 [Open Thread]

Hey /philosophy/,

I get the impression that a lot of you seem to believe that there is a set of objective moral laws. I made the mistake of majoring Human Geography in college and minoring in Philosophy. Since I took several classes examining different societies and cultures; I of course came away with a moral relativist point of view. I want to give equal weight to those who say that are objective truths to moral and immoral actions.

For me the two who best did it were Aristotle and Kant. (Not sure how anyone can take the Utilitarians seriously.) However, I'm a little underwhelmed by both of them. In my current mixed state of philosophical knowledge and ignorance, I think Aristotle did the best job. However, I still don't think he did so conclusively or even particularly close.

So can I ask you /philosophy/, who did the best job, and why?
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3d288f No.4590

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>hey guys im literally the smartest person on earth, allow me the opportunity to look down my nose at you and call you an idiot if you dont think marxism is literally the best thing evar

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4147cf No.5345

Moral relativism is moral nihilism. At any point, simply make a micro-culture that has the rules most advantageous to you at that moment.

>>871

Yes, but game theory can rescue most of the rules. Ironically, game theory meta-ethics is indeed sensitive to local culture. Game theory provides an objective function which spits out (non-moral) rules based on various inputs, which inputs basically boil down to 'what do you want, long term.'

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7f9aa6 No.5685

>>876

>committing fallacies or outright lying to ourselves.

How do Aquinas/Aristotle do this?

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97b15d No.6268

If you are OK with modern-day ppl, you might give Stefan Molyneux (UPB) and Hans Hermann Hoppe (Argumentation ethics) a try.

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b4e686 No.6679

Read Nietzsche, he doesn't specifically have "objective moral laws" but a general principle of "Affirming Life", which is pretty good

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