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The Noise Collapse Principle Anonymous 07/07/25 (Mon) 20:38:13 d64532 No.13640812

I'm going to propose an hypothesis here

The more noise there is, the more sincerity stands out.

Once the noise reaches saturation, that's when sincerity stands out the most, making all the noise empty background with no obfuscation effect, basically making noise itself ineffective.

A saturation of noise defeats the purpose of noise.

This is similar to an other effect in the economic field.

The more power and wealth concentrates into few, the more all the rest left out have a common ground to band together against the few, leading to the collapse of the few.

This other idea could be names instead "the monopolism collapse principle"

Noise can be understood to be any of: lies, distractions, subversions, distortions, empty talk, all purposefully done to waste time and to drive away from truth.

Often truth is attacked because truth is what makes a crime to be visible and recognizeable to anyone, so the criminals are interested in keeping truth away from public attention.

Truth standing out the more lies and corruption is widespread is why evil always loses.

Or why it's said the father of lies is a loser.

Truth doesn't fear to be surrounded by lies, because truth includes into it everything which is exact, including how lies are fake and gay. So the more lies are created to oppose truth, the more truth grows to include more anti-falsity as a result of having made all lies be seen for what they really are.

Lies and liars are pathetic on a fundamental level.

Either they hide in fear of getting found out and punished for their falsity, while Truth dominates, or they lead to their own destruction if they try to grow too big. Either way, falsity always loses.

Truth always wins.

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Anonymous 07/07/25 (Mon) 20:43:42 b85f61 No.13640814

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>>13640812

The same principle should apply to chan boards getting filled with noise from gpt spambots and jeet shills.

The most heavily shilled and disrupted chan boards, are the places where truth can stand out the most.

There should be 2 groups of people who will never learn, even while browsing such a favorable place where to find truth, like a chan board.

The forever asleep, they will continue to participate in all the noise, believing the noise to be reality.

The liars, who will never find truth because they only want to get away from it, out of shame of themselves or out of fear of justice. They are the main source of noise and of shitty threads.

And there are maybe only 3 groups of people who can get something good out of the heavily shilled chan boards.

The lucky tourists, once they find their first genuine thread and they realize for the first time in their lives how shit all the others are.

The redpill addicts, who actively search for good threads in the middle of a stormy sea of boring hot shit.

The either naive or brave, who continue to put effort in what they want to talk about, the only people truly wanting to communicate with others. They are the main source good threads and redpills. And out of naivety or courage, they will never stop to search truth and to talk about truth.

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Anonymous 07/07/25 (Mon) 22:12:09 d85437 No.13640818

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>>13640812

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Anonymous 07/07/25 (Mon) 23:43:18 01a666 No.13640821

>>13640812

I’m a lukewarm IQ normie anon and I’ve been lucky enough to stumble into truth and have it stick a few times but the truth is the vast majority of pearls that I’ve been handed have been lost in the noise.

Perhaps for the more intelligent what you’re saying is true but I think the majority of people are consuming noise and only when someone they already trust says “this isn’t noise” does something stand out. But even then it’s based off something other than discernment

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Anonymous 07/08/25 (Tue) 06:57:50 74547a No.13640839

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>>13640812

interdasting

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Anonymous 07/08/25 (Tue) 11:47:57 b5f7d1 No.13640845

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>>13640812

>So the more lies are created to oppose truth, the more truth grows to include more anti-falsity as a result of having made all lies be seen for what they really are.

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Anonymous 07/08/25 (Tue) 13:10:43 dc28c2 No.13640848

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>>13640845

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Anonymous 07/08/25 (Tue) 13:36:17 b5f7d1 No.13640851

>>13640848

I think this latest Epistein psyop is the final nail in the coffin. Confidence in the system is at its terminal low and will never recover.

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Anonymous 07/08/25 (Tue) 15:06:04 82c578 No.13640852

Reminds me of tf-idf, term frequency / inverse document frequency. Kind of outdated as a form of feature representation in AI compared to embeddings but the algorithm describes what you’re trying to do fairly well if you apply it to news events/ngrams

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Anonymous 07/08/25 (Tue) 17:06:21 b5f7d1 No.13640863

>>13640852

In English, Doc

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Anonymous 07/08/25 (Tue) 17:34:02 c95de8 No.13640865

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>>13640863

He's saying the concept in OP resembles a statistical formula to find keywords in a document

Though, while the "standing out" part is present in both concept, I don't think "truth" and "keywords" are as much compatible in meaning, so it's a partial resemblance

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Anonymous 07/08/25 (Tue) 19:05:47 5cf75c No.13640884

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>>13640821

>I think the majority of people are consuming noise

Many people are just forever asleep, compared to some people who sleep but can wake up.

>and only when someone they already trust says “this isn’t noise” does something stand out.

That's just bandwagoning, and some noise getting more attention than other noise.

>but the truth is the vast majority of pearls that I’ve been handed have been lost in the noise.

And some people can go back to sleep after waking up.

Which is why just waking up people once is never enough, most people just slide back into passivity is they can't find a way to stay alert by themselves.

What keeps people alert, would be something to think about.

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Anonymous 07/08/25 (Tue) 20:33:51 82c578 No.13640889

>>13640865

Ah yes ‘sincerity’ != truth my bad. Yeah if you want to prove or disprove the validity of claims/arguments at scale on the web.. maybe a lightweight classifier (or llm) that first extracts all claims from a document, then for each claim, extract the subject/object/verb tuple and try to confirm against a relational database/ontology of facts. Kind of like what kumo.ai is doing with relational embeddings perhaps. Or what GDELT tried to do before Kalev leetaru semi retired

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Anonymous 07/09/25 (Wed) 14:59:36 35193b No.13640979

>>13640845

Felt like expanding on that part.

Reality is what is, what exists.

A rock is, a river is, the wind is, the light and radiations of the sun is, the vibration of particles which our ears recognize a sound is, the empty distances in open space is, the flow of time is.

Reality is unrelated to conscience or intelligence, even without intelligence existing, reality exist.

Truth instead is a concept created by intelligence, truth is the best approximation of reality, filtered though our senses and different points of view.

Truth in the absolute sense, is the perfect equivalent of reality, a perfect truth is a perfect mental copy/image of what is non mental and just is.

Truth in the religious sense instead is an entirely different thing, religious truth is the information which precedes reality, the hypothesized scheme/blueprint/origin of reality when reality didn't exist yet.

The distiction between the truth before reality and the truth after reality is only meaningful inside religion, outside religion people only bother with truth after reality. Nonreligious thought is a subset of religious thought.

Falsity and lies are incorrect representations of reality, claiming reality is something which isn't.

religious truth (creates)> reality -(is known)-> truth

religious truth = information before matter (godly truth)

reality = state of matter

mundane truth = correct information copy of reality (human truth)

lies = incorrect/misleading information copy of reality

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Anonymous 07/09/25 (Wed) 15:00:35 35193b No.13640980

>>13640979

Everytime a person acts in the world, inside reality, the state of reality changes, and a trace of that action remains inside reality (but even without that trace, the action itself is part of the flow of reality), so mundane truth comes to also include all the actions performed by intelligent beings. That specific part of truth involving intelligent actions, is history.

The reasons for why an action is performed in reality by an intelligent being, those reasons are informations, so those reasons can also be catalogued as correct informations = truth, or incorrect informations = lies and errors.

Which means that truth, while trying to represent all of reality in the most correct way, also comes to include in it the reasons for the actions, so the informations which were at the base of the actions performed over reality also become part of truth, regardless of those reasons being correct or incorrect, the existence of those reasons are recorded inside truth.

Inside a perfect truth everything about reality is clear and without doubts,

everything which exists in reality is known to exist in truth,

every action in reality is a known action in truth,

who acted based on truth in reality is known to have acted based on truth in truth,

who acted based on lies in reality is known to have acted based on lies in truth.

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Anonymous 07/09/25 (Wed) 15:01:56 35193b No.13640981

>>13640980

In religious and christian terms instead, the possession of a perfect mundane truth is called omniscience.

And it's assumed only an infinite being like God has the capacity to keep in mind every single part of reality, in a perfect copy of reality, every single instant of it since the start of the universe, and every instant of reality which hasn't happened yet. Human minds, nor any tool created inside the universe, can possibly hold all those informations which exceed the size of the universe itself at any given moment in time (unless the understanding or reality is simplified a lot). So truth as understood by humans will always be limited and partial and not complete of everything, there is an upper limit to the human understanding of truth, but anything below that limit is free to be discovered and investigated.

The religious aspect of truth can be ignored if someone isn't religious, while understanding the relation between reality and truth (mundane) is enough.

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Anonymous 07/09/25 (Wed) 15:06:42 fcf42f No.13640983

>>13640889

My idea of "truth standing out" is a lot more sentimental and less data driven how you are making it out to be.

People can feel truth when they see it.

Maybe that feel is somehow related to an internal coherence which isn't directly perceptible on the conscious level.

So there may still be something relating to data, but not in your explicit way.

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Anonymous 07/09/25 (Wed) 15:12:55 fcf42f No.13640984

>>13640981

>(unless the understanding or reality is simplified a lot)

(unless the understanding of reality is simplified a lot)

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Anonymous 08/06/25 (Wed) 05:34:00 7de890 No.13642686

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>>13640984

Have a bump pastanon

I think you're talking about chaos theory. Someone did mention game theory but that's more of a statistics feedback loop on behavioral patterns subjected to somewhat controlled stimuli.

At a macro level I think the Morphic Resonance guys might be on to something. The demon worshiping cult is banking (pun intended) on AI and their golden egg laying goose Game theory to push their degenerate anti nature agenda but underpinning it is still their social construct theory–which game theory unironically actually manipulates.

Social constructs don't exist in a vacuum though and what they're truly manipulating using game theory is the information landscape that keeps people essentially trapped in the slave cult loop set down around the 1900s–which is why all the tech and science we use today is essentially from the 1920s (yes, even the microchip)… but really they're using game theory to manipulate the mass information land scape and the aggregate resonance of the mindset of the masses is what's actually keeping everything basically staying the same.

This stable system (for the elite, not for the poor, the poor are forever kept in chaos but it's only "relative" chaos, it's actually artificially manufactured) will end it's just a matter of what forces end it–objective choices of the governed (which is doubtful) or chaotic unforeseen disrupters emerging from "the noise…" which I think is more likely. Possibly environmental but the feedback loops are very robust so a counter system arising from the noise will be from somewhere never seen before.

Chaos always wins.

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Anonymous 08/09/25 (Sat) 18:55:31 7de890 No.13642865

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Anonymous 08/12/25 (Tue) 18:34:22 1c9b93 No.13643071

Q spammers are part of the noise.

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Anonymous 08/12/25 (Tue) 19:59:27 d32b53 No.13643082

>>13642686

Don’t waste your time he doesn’t respond. Lol

>>13643071

Trust operation trust

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