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Back from the dead Edition!
Christian Esotericism is the inner and/or mystical aspect of the Christian Religion, it includes:
>Christian Gnosis (Clement of Alexandria)
>Desert Fathers Spirituality (Evagrius Ponticus)
>Catholic Contemplative Tradition (Bonaventure)
>Hesychasm (Gregory Palamas)
>Chivalry (Wolfram von Eschenbach)
>Christian Alchemy (George Ripley)
>Rhineland Mysticism (Meister Eckhart)
>Christian Cabala (Johannes Reuchlin)
>Paracelsianism (Paracelsus)
>Rosicrucianism (Robert Fludd)
>Christian theosophy (Jakob Böhme)
>Martinism (Louise Claude de Saint-Martin)
>Swedenborgianism (Swedenborg)
>Magical Idealism (Novalis)
>Romanticism (Baader)
>Anthroposophy (Rudolf Steiner)
>Sophiology (Sergei Bulgakov)
>Christian Hermeticism (Valentin Tomberg)
>Fourth Way (Boris Mouravieff)
>Christian Traditionalism (Jean Borella)
>Divine Love (James Padgett)
And much more, so let's continue to talk about it!
>Resources (WIP)
https://www.john-uebersax.com/plato/cp.htm
https://jacobboehmeonline.com/
https://archive.org/details/awakening-to-divine-wisdom-christian-initiation-into-three-worl-nodrm_202202/mode/1up
https://janelead.org/resources.html
https://archive.org/details/bookofcontemplat00unde/
https://archive.org/details/rudolf-steiner-book-collection/
https://swedenborg.com/bookstore/free-ebooks-downloads/
https://www.gornahoor.net/?page_id=47
https://archive.org/details/meditations-on-the-tarot/
https://files.catboxhoneypot/8n4061.djvu (Meditations on the Tarot)
https://eliasartista.substack.com/
https://passtheword.org
https://catenabible.com/mt/1
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do orthodox exorcisms actually work does anyone know? I’ve OCD and it’s augmented my “inquiring about” certain occult practices and my spiritual struggles in general—it won’t cure it I know but will it keep the demons at bay even a little?
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Has any Biblical scholar ever commented on Josef being cuckolded by God?
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Not sure if this is 100% on topic, but just about my only interest in Christianity is the esoteric and marginal.
The legend of St. Oran is only the second foundation sacrifice story in Europe I have heard of. This appears far more common in the Orient, especially Japan where they are called “human pillars”: https://archive.ph/nfO9B / https://web.archive.org/web/20250126151045/https://pinktentacle.com/2010/03/human-pillars/
The only other European case I found mentioned in Notes & Queries (1889), under “Kirk-Grims”: https://archive.org/details/s7notesqueries07londuoft/page/12/mode/2up
<Legend of Sᵗ Odhrain.
<Saint Columba had a son whose name was Odhrain, from whom the chapel of Sᵗ Odhrain has taken its name. Tradition says that when this chapel was in course of erection, no matter what they would do, or how well the work was done, every morning, all that had been built the previous day, was found thrown down. At last a guth came to Sᵗ Columba, telling him that the only way to get the chapel completed, was to bury a living man under its foundation, and without that, the voice said, the chapel could never be finished. Columba decided that no one could be better than his own son, to be put under the foundation, and accordingly got him buried at once, and proceeded to build on his top. One day however, Odhrain raised his head, and pushing it through the wall said: — Cha’n eil Ifrinn mar a shaoileas tu, no neamh mar tha iad og radh. This alarmmed Sᵗ Columba, in case Odhrain should communicate more of the secrets of the other world, and he had the body removed at once, and buried in consecrated ground, and Sᵗ Odhrain never again troubled any one.
<A. V. B. MᶜRae, Clachan, Kintyre.
URL: https://openbooks.is.ed.ac.uk//record/121637?highlight=the+maclagan+manuscripts
This version appeared in Folklore Vol. 42, № 1 (31 March 1931): https://www.jstor.org/stable/1256410
Another variant of the legend of the church being built and mysteriously destroyed during the night in the Maclagan manuscripts: https://openbooks.is.ed.ac.uk//record/121648?highlight=the+maclagan+manuscripts
This mentions the building of a church at Clachlan in Kintyre, but there is no mention of St. Columba and his disciples and the human sacrifice.
Carmichael Watson Project Blog: St Columba, St Moluag and Oran: https://archive.li/s7nkb / http://web.archive.org/web/20150927140710/https://carmichaelwatson.blogspot.com/2011/01/st-columba-st-moluag-and-oran.html
The legend of St. Oran is mentioned in A tour in Scotland, and voyage to the Hebrides (1772): https://archive.org/details/tourinscotlandvo01penn/page/284/mode/2up
Iona in Encyclopædia Britannica, third edition (1797): https://archive.org/details/1797EncyclopediaBritannicaNLS/Third%20edition%20-%20Encyclopaedia%20Britannica%20Volume%209%2C%20Hydrostatics-LES/page/304/mode/2up
St. Odhran in The Lives of the Saints, volume 12, part 2: https://archive.org/details/livesofsaintswit12bariuoft/page/668/mode/2up & https://archive.org/details/TheLivesOfTheSaintsV12/page/n351/mode/2up
St. Oran in Folklore of the British Isles (1928): https://archive.org/details/folklore-of-the-british-isles/page/206/mode/2up
St. Oran in Murray’s Magazine (1887): https://archive.org/details/sim_murrays-magazine_1887-03_1_3/mode/2up
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St. Wilgefortis (in England known as St. Uncumber in the past), miraculously grew a beard to avoid an unwanted marriage and keep her vow of chastity and was martyred by crucifixion by her father as punishment. She is the patron saint of monsters and people who suffered from deformities. Chapels where her image are found sometimes have mysterious underground passages with them according to the article in Atlas Obscura quoting Deformed Discourse: The Function of the Monster in Mediaeval Thought and Literature (1996) by David Williams. But while the article claims that there are no chapels dedicated to her, I found this one in Poland: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Chapnel_of_st._Wilgefortis_in_Wambierzyce
St. Uncumber in St. Paul’s Cathedral by the Rev. Dr. W. Sparrow Simpson, F.S.A. in The Journal of the British Archaeological Association (1845): https://archive.org/details/journalofbritishns03brit/journalofbritishns03brit/page/8/mode/2up
St. Wilgefortis in The Lives of the Saints, volume 8 (1917): https://archive.org/details/livesofsaintswit08bariuoft/livesofsaintswit08bariuoft/page/492/mode/2up
The Legends of the Saints (1907): https://archive.org/details/TheLegendsOfTheSaints/mode/2up
The Tale of the Toad and the Bearded Female Saint - Atlas Obscura: https://archive.ph/emFx0 / https://web.archive.org/web/20250401020039/https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/toad-votives-religion-medieval-saints
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>>64833
Got a copy of The Complete Illuminated Books of William Blake a while back. Beautiful works of art, and his own invented mythology is deeply fascinating; very much similar to Gnosticism, with Urizen as a Demiurge creator-god.
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>>64835
That looks really cool.
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Although most famous for his ghost stories, M. R. James is also recognised as one of the greatest mediaeval scholars and a Biblical expert. Here are his translations of Biblical apocrypha:
Old Testament: https://archive.org/details/oldtestamentlege00jameiala/mode/2up
New Testament: https://archive.org/details/apocryphalnewtes0000unse_b9n3/mode/2up
Fragments of a Faith Forgotten from 1906 by G. R. S. Mead on Gnosticism: https://archive.org/details/fragmentsoffaith00meaduoft/page/n7/mode/2up
For a more recent work on Gnosticism, check out The Gnostic Religion – The message of the alien God and the beginnings of Chrisianity by Hans Jonas, second, enlarged edition published in 1970 on https://annas-archive.org/
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I'm watching a conversation on Youtube where they're talking about Soloviev's A Story of Anti-Christ.
In that story, the Catholic leader is Pope Peter II. The leader of the Orthodox is Elder John. And the leader of the Protestants Professor Ernst Pauli.
This was apparently deliberate and was connected to the idea that the Three Churches embodied the essences of three apostles.
The Protestants were the Church of Paul. The Orthodox were the mystical Church of John. And the Catholics were the structured, hierarchical Church of Peter.
Soloviev wrote a book called Russia and the Universal Church, in which he advocates for the reunification of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. And I guess he thought that the Protestants would follow.
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The Case for Liberal Protestantism | Dr. Steven Nemes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZu-EkzAylQ
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Infinite Fire Webinar I - The Alchemy of the Amphitheatrum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slS3CDlfp2o
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Christian Romanticism, with Fr. Anthony Chadwick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MqChNA5L2o
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John Milbank on "Alternative Modernities": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp6hA9iWF7s
Rudolf Steiner (Regeneration Podcast): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2q0kcecwTQ
DEBATE: Is Divine Simplicity True? Gavin Ortlund vs. Ryan Mullins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVUI-Wy67eo
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Tbh this place is such a buggy mess who knows? Nothing on my end prevents that post.
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>>65262
Sorry, anon. I should have given context. It's a screenshot from another imagine board. 4chan fears linking to 8kun's /ceg/ thread.
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MothMan what's your deal with this thread?
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>>65264
I'm not sure if the original thread creator is still around. I assume he created it back when 4chan went down for a while. I've just been posting links and picrels in it since then.
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>>65265
Ah, do you know if there has been any conversations here before? It's weird to know there are two threads like these now
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>>65267
No, I don't think there's really been any conversations here before.
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"What’s more, Summerisle’s backstory points to the fact that modern pagan movements are, despite their romantic claim to return to an ancient past, products of a post-Enlightenment worldview. Wicca, for example, was invented in the 1940s by Gerald Gardner, a child of the British Empire who invented his new religion in a typically bourgeois rebellion against Christianity. Even the Wicker Man ritual itself, it turns out, comes not from Celtic tradition but from an eighteenth-century illustration; something Robin Hardy may well have been aware of when creating his ironic masterpiece.
"That neopaganism emerged between the eighteenth and twentieth centuries is not a historical accident. It appeals to modern subjects precisely because it shares many of the same premises as the Enlightenment. It rejects Christianity and traditional morality; claims to be more 'rational', focusing on the immanent world rather than on transcendent ideals; and undermines hierarchy in favour of individual freedom and self-actualisation.
"It is on this basis that the scholar Wouter Hanegraaff claimed that 'alternative' spiritualities 'cannot be characterised as a return to pre-Enlightenment worldviews but … as a qualitatively new syncretism of esoteric and secular elements'. Neopagan criticisms of modern Western culture, he says in his New Age Religion and Western Culture, 'are expressed to a considerable extent on the premises of that same culture'.
"Both conceptually and historically, paganism turns out to be highly compatible with modern capitalism, arguably more so than Christianity, which with its promotion of the contemplative life and the realisation of things beyond this world, is less conducive to the unleashing of carnal desires that consumer culture encourages and which paganism sacralises.
"Indeed, Max Weber’s account of the Christian basis of capitalism was challenged by sociologist Colin Campbell for this reason. He contends in The Romantic Ethic and the Spirit of Modern Consumerism that it was not Protestantism but rather the romantic turn towards immanence and worldly fulfilment that both inspired the pagan revival and shaped modern consumerism."
- Esmé Partridge
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>>65291
What's the beauty of Odin in "American Gods"?
He shows you why he known as "God of the Poor" and "God of the Homeless"; Lord of the Hobo Runes; and remember, Christians, that the entire reason that the Gods exist in the realm of Demigods, as well as the realm of supernal unchallengable deity, is to teach mankind, and show them lessons; as mankind is made in their image and likeness.
>List of names of Odin
>Alfodr All-father
>Bileyg The one with poor sight; the one who sees as the poor see, the one who knows the poor, wretched, and homeless; the one who knows "the poors" and what makes others "taste bile" and want to vomit
>Thou shall not revile the Gods
>Exodus 22:28
Or; as Odin says, to the Christians: The day at which the "wolf to be decided" must be confronted…… time for the appointment with the Olive Oil Press….. opps I meant "Gethsemane".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwhraamZRe0
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"Authentic Self Realization: It’s become a motto of our time for people to say that they are 'looking for themselves' – and this really makes sense because the entire culture has been subjected to varying degrees of mind control."
- Kerth Barker
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"Emotional Sensitization: Most mind control involves varying degrees of disassociation, in which your mental processes disconnect from your emotional awareness and physical sensations. We have all been socially conditioned into ignoring the body’s messages, but reconnecting to your feelings is essential to recovery. There is no simple way of doing this other than to pay close attention to what you are feeling – pain, tightness, tension, etc. – and to then respond to those bodily sensations, which are also called feelings or emotions, in a way that helps to release them."
- Kerth Barker
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Eckhart was more a philosopher than a mystic, influenced heavily by Neoplatonism and Aristotelian logic.
Eckhart’s so-called mysticism is an abstract, elite metaphysics dressed in spiritual terms — not genuine mystical experience.
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No.65371
Eckhart should be understood not as a mystic but as a radical metaphysician, deeply indebted to Neoplatonism and Aristotelian dialectics. His so-called “mysticism” is an abstraction masquerading as spirituality.
No concrete mystical experience: Eckhart speaks not of divine union as an experienced reality, but as a logical deduction. This makes his “mysticism” intellectually dry, elitist, and speculative. Eckhart is heavily tilted toward the speculative, drawing on Neoplatonic abstractions rather than concrete religious experience (like Teresa of Ávila or Bonaventure).
Identity collapse: His claim that the soul and God become “one” is ontologically incoherent — it erases difference without explaining how distinction can survive in unity.
Confused metaphysical language: Eckhart's use of concepts like being, nothingness, and ground (grunt) lack analytic precision. It’s slippery language, used more for rhetorical effect than clarity. His writings are deliberately paradoxical — this creates confusion between metaphor and metaphysics.
Eckhart is neither a mystic nor a prophet, but a late medieval scholastic philosopher trying to rewrite metaphysics under a mystical guise.
Kurt Flasch is in a league of his own when it comes to piercing the mystique around Eckhart and giving him a rigorous philosophical takedown. He cuts through centuries of spiritual romanticism and hagiography.
Rather than treating Eckhart as a timeless mystic (or New Age prophet), Flasch situates him firmly in the 13th–14th century Dominican intellectual tradition, influenced by Albert the Great, Aquinas, Proclus, Plotinus, Avicenna, and Pseudo-Dionysius.
He exposes how Eckhart hijacks Christian theology to smuggle in a metaphysical system rooted in Neoplatonic emanationism, but without accountability to logical consistency or doctrinal coherence.
He demolishes the "East-meets-West" appropriation. Flasch goes after modern readers — especially Zen interpreters and perennialists — who anachronistically project non-dualism, Buddhism, or Jungian archetypes into Eckhart. He’s not hostile to Buddhism — he’s hostile to bad historical method and philosophical sloppiness.
He draws a line between mysticism and metaphysics. Flasch makes the crucial distinction that most Eckart fanboys don't: the difference between language that seeks experience and language that claims ontological truth.
Eckhart's mystical language is not about ecstasy or encounter — it’s a coded metaphysical claim that the intellect can logically arrive at identity with God. But that identity is never demonstrated, never experienced, and never defended coherently. It’s just asserted — dressed up in poetic paradox.
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