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existential irreversibility † 04/26/25 (Sat) 18:33:32 6e61cb No.857935

>primary suffering ontologically cannot be erased, even through divine power

why?

well even through divine intervention, it cannot change the fact that suffering was actually experienced. nothing can, it happened and once it happened it can't be changed, how could it? the qualia was experienced.

>god created a system with a sort of existential irreversibility and then added suffering into it

how is this not reckless and incredibly evil?

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† 05/08/25 (Thu) 19:55:55 903cf4 No.857941

Your an atheist who is reciting the same terrible talking point Christians have answered for you MANY TIMES, if you looked on YouTube you would see how many

Evil exists because we decided to rebel against god,

if god ended humanity right there he would 100% be in the right to do so, but out of mercy and love he saved us through his son Jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Lcnj6wrR8

watch this video, if you want your question answered in more depth

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† 06/13/25 (Fri) 18:51:12 c9dc34 No.857948

"sUfFerinG bAD" this is the level you guys talk at. Grow up. Bad happens, yes. Use it as an opportunity for growth.

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† 03/01/26 (Sun) 22:55:24 000000 No.858006

Suffering exists, not because God created it, but because it is a side effect of our free will.

If we did not have free will, God would be a tyrant and we would be forced to worship (or not worship) Him. Because we do have free will, we often times choose bad things. This causes suffering. Mass shootings as an example are a horrible exercising of free will.

God wants us to choose Him and remove suffering but I choose against Him. I must amend my life for the salvation of the whole world.

God does not cause ailments upon us but they can be seen as an opportunity to become closer to Him. It is all about how you choose to accept His truth in reality or not. None of this creation, especially consciousness would exist if it were not for an intelligent creator. This much is obvious.

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† 03/12/26 (Thu) 20:56:46 000000 No.858017

>>858006

>Suffering exists, not because God created it, but because it is a side effect of our free will.

Thralls in ancient times had no free will, nor did prisoners in jail, but both groups suffered regularly.

Moreover, in the forest, the hare runs from the wolf, strains its muscles, its muscles ache, the hare suffers, the hare runs, the hare is afraid, and it also suffers from this fear. So what does free will have to do with it? The hare's suffering is not related to free will.

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† 03/12/26 (Thu) 21:03:48 000000 No.858018

>>858006

>Mass shootings as an example are a horrible exercising of free will.

In most such cases, the shooters suffered a lot before deciding to solve the woes by shooting their enemies. This is a classic scheme of action (bullying the future shooter) that leads to consequences. Hindus call this karma in action. Perhaps Christians also have a name for this, but I don't know what it's called in Christian terms.

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† 03/15/26 (Sun) 17:12:43 000000 No.858020

>>857935

>>primary suffering ontologically cannot be >>erased, even through divine power

I believe that suffering is truly unavoidable in human life—after all, how can you avoid the pain of being pulled out of your mother’s womb into the air and light?

But suffering can be made less frequent and less intense.

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