ecca06 No.13641299
>Get rid of the federal reserve and its advisory board
>and most of that implodes cause these folks will never use their own money
>or monetized birth certs
>to pay for anything they do. That is their achilles heel. Make them use their own money!
>>13641181
What are monetized birth certificates?
What are the reasons for using them, and on what idea are the based on?
How would they work?
What would be the pros and cons, the effects, if they were adopted as currency?
Would they solve some problems over overprinted fiat fake money?
What would be the risks of using birth certificates as currency, and how could the risks be avoided or controlled and minimized?
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9cfc19 No.13641302
Talking about pro and cons is premature until it's defined clearly what even means a "monetized birth certificate",
otherwise it would be like debating over something which doesn't exist even in the idea stage, something which doesn't exist entirely, it would be entirely worthless and a waste of time.
Defining how a monetized birth certificate works is necessary for any discussion on it to make sense afterwards.
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862789 No.13641303
>What are the reasons for using them, and on what idea are the based on?
reasons:
- removal of the fake mass printed money, force the kikes to stop using the money of the citizens against the citizens (whenever they use the money deposited into the banks against the owner of the money, or when they use inflation by printing money as an hidden tax to steal money from everyone else by devaluing the money already in circulation) (as already stated in the quote in OP)
- having a stable money supply, which doesn't inflate or deflate arbitrarily by the creation of fake markets based on bonds or by the wall street fake financial economy
- money only exist to facilitate the trade of goods and services, it should not be value in itself, but only a medium to real value,
as such money should reflect the size of the economy, and the size of the economy is reasonably reliant on the size of the population, without population there is no economy, so having the money supply tied to the size of the population seems like a good idea to keep the flow of this trading medium stable
if the population grows, the money supply grows to accomodate it, if the population shrinks the money supply shrinks too to remove excess money no longer tied to a real human and his needs
what other reasons there could be?
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a439e3 No.13641304
>>13641299
>How would they work?
shortening Monetized Birth Certificate in MBT
The first impression I have is that exchanging the whole birth certificate, or the monetized copy of it, may be unpractical, having arbitrary fractions of the MBT may allow for more flexibility in adjusting prices,
similarly with bitcoint and other cryptocurrrencies, they are rarely traded as whole but often in fractions of them (I know nothing about cryptocurrencies, correct me if there are errors)
so it wouldn't be the whole 1 WBT to be traded by, 0.00032 WBT or 0.04353 MBT etc
Then are the monetized birth certificates the same as the birth certificates, or are the MBT a newly created currency which is ties to the real birth certificates?
the second options seems more reasonable
then
1) who creates the MTB ?
2) how are the MTB tied to the real birth certificates ?
(how do you keep track of the tie between them, is there going to be a registry or database? who manages that registry, where would it be?)
It's assumed that when a new person is born, a new MTB would be created too
Who owns the newly created MTB?
1) the family of the child (seems more sensible)
2) the state (I would rather not)
Then, what happens when a person dies?
Is the MTB corresponding to its birth certificate voided and removed from the economy?
Or does the MTB of a dead person remains in circulation?
Having the MTB of dead persons getting removed would seem more reasonable to me, because as stated in the reasons, it would allow to have the supply of MTS reflect the actual size of the population, which is an element of stability. But it could also be useful to avoid ((((people)))) from storing money in black markets and shadow business. And removing the dead MBT could also be useful to clean up damaged or lost currency (which is the only little reasonable reason for printing money, to replace the defective money)
Would also assume that the birth certificate based money would affect in no way the ownership rights, so the ownership of an house, or the ownership of an item, or the ownership of a business, would remain the same even with a different currency.
What else?
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2d75fb No.13641307
>>13641304
>2) how are the MTB tied to the real birth certificates ?
>(how do you keep track of the tie between them, is there going to be a registry or database? who manages that registry, where would it be?)
This part makes me think that since birth certificates are a document created by the bureaucracy of a state, then it's obvious and a logical consequence, that any kind of money based on a bureaucratic document is going to be bureaucratic in nature.
That's to say, monetized birth certificates would inevitably by centralized and state controlled. And maybe even digital, by necessity of being fractional like cryptocurrencies.
Which are not preferable traits to the people often talking about gold or silver as currencies, for example, as they desire monetary indipendence above all, which includes indipendence from a central bank or indipendence from the state, and MTB would not be indipendent from the state, quite the opposite, WTB would be very state controlled. The digitalized part would also not please the silver/gold people.
On the opposite, the digitalized trait should not bother the people talking and pushing cryptos. But the state controlled part would upset them too.
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5e2987 No.13641309
>>13641304
>Then, what happens when a person dies?
>Is the MBT corresponding to its birth certificate voided and removed from the economy?
This could have interesting ramifications
What if the person doesn't die by old age, but by incident?
Would an higher workplace mortality, or disaster mortality, accelerate the MBT "renewal" (MBT removed, MBT created), making it even less feasible to store savings?
Or at the opposite, would a lower mortality, be it on work, at home, or by disaster, slow down the MBT renewal, making it more feasible to have savings?
Or the idea itself of having savings in MBT would be abandoned entirely, as keeping saving in real property would be more secure?
An other point to clarify is, when a MBT is removed from the economy once a person dies, from where are the MBT actually removed?
If there is going to be a strict 1-to-1 link between real birth certificate the MBT, then the individual MBT of the dead person would expire, meaning some guys somewhere would suddently see their money disappear "sorry, the guy of your money just died", that would be lol but also very unpractical.
Otherwise, how can expired MBT be removed from circulation without making money disappear from pockets? Would the state need to keep a "life and death" reserve, which would function as a cushion to destroy expired MBT? So the duty of the removal of expired MBT would be on the state? What if the state can't get back enough MBT when there is the need to remove them? would the state accumulate a MBT debt? This may become messy.
There needs to be a better system to remove MBT of dead persons. It should not affect the alive people holding MBT, and it should not create distortions in the state internal economy.
Maybe the solution comes from the "alive people" part, the expired MBT could be removed from the dead person pockets, so it would become something like an inheritance tax,
and if the dead person was broke, then the expired MBT would be removed from any relative,
and if the dead person was broke and without relatives?.. who would carry the monetary weight of it?
except that last limit case, removing the expired MBT from the dead person who made it expire seems like the best solution.
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647cf2 No.13641310
>>13641309
>removing the expired MBT from the dead person who made it expire seems like the best solution.
Ideally
1 MBT is created when a person is born, the created MBT would be owned by the newborn person
1 MBT is removed when a person dies, the removed MBT is taken from the dead person
the end sum should be close to zero
+1 MBT (birth) -1 MBT (death) = 0
if a person dies while owning less than 1MBT then his relatives would pay the difference
if a person dies while owning more than 1MBT then his relatives would obtain the difference
in most cases the difference it's assumed and expected to be minimal
It's also important to avoid debt creation, if a person doesn't own enough MBT to pay or to settle MBT expiration, then some other person has to pay for it, at no circumstance there should ever be a negative amount of MBT
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0ea7a2 No.13641314
just realized I've misnamed the acronym, no clue why I wrote MBT instead of MBC (M monetized B Birth C Certificate)
whatever, it's not a final name anyway, so long it's understandable within the thread that's enough
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cec3d6 No.13641322
>>13641299
This sounds an awful lot like slavery.
It would be better to start hemp backed currency.
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5534ea No.13641324
>>13641310
That is a horrible idea and gives people the ability to ruin the lives of uninvolved relatives. It can also cause chain reactions where people have zero MBC at death because they were forced to spend their only MBC for someone else who also had zero MBC at death for whatever reason while people like Bill Gates accumulate for themselves millions of MBC.
Just scrap this whole MBC thing. It doesn't work.
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9ff1f6 No.13641328
They're already monetized by the state government. It literally costs you hundreds of dollars to replace a lost copy, and they're required pretty much as a core document for state paperwork. Meaning it's hard as fuck to live in this Mammon-Legion shithole without one.
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cdd5c6 No.13641330
Firstly, I don't know what a "monetized birth certificate" is. But I agree 100% with everything below.
>>13641303
>- removal of the fake mass printed money, force the kikes to stop using the money of the citizens against the citizens (whenever they use the money deposited into the banks against the owner of the money, or when they use inflation by printing money as an hidden tax to steal money from everyone else
Central bank fiat (debt based) currency is literally the engine by which Jews take over countries.
Think about it like a ratchet. There are natural cycles. Seasons, generations, (turnings) times of peace and war. Now imagine that one highly ethnocentric group has access to ample liquidity, either in the form of credit, or guaranteed, well paying jobs, or control of smaller banks. During the good times, when the rising tide lifts all boats, everything is fine, but during hard times, one specific group has an opportunity to take advantage of the hard times and to buy up radio stations, news papers and magazines that are in financial distress.
Like a ratchet, during the "hard times" cycle, they accumulate more soft power and indirect control of institutions.
Today we have a literal genocide happening in the middle east, with literal war crimes and literal crimes against humanity, and where is our media? Completely silent. Where are our politicians? Completely bought. Where are our so called human rights organizations? Under control of, or in fear of the ethnocentric group perpetrating the genocide.
How did we get here? By means of the ever increasing ratchet effect used by a tiny minority whose forte involves central banking, which is an abstraction just slightly too complex for the average European citizen to properly understand.
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0155f0 No.13641331
>>13641330
It's not that we don't understand it. The foundations of the institutions were laid before the average Western European could legally participate in them. The head start made it impossible for the most part to catch up.
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000000 No.13641332
>>13641330
Where are our so called human rights organizations? Under control of, or in fear of the ethnocentric group perpetrating the genocide.
The race traitor White population resides here. Blue haired lesbians tranny men and the emotionally vapid and void wealthy white women sucking negro dick
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49b81c No.13641336
>What are monetized birth certificates?
What are the reasons for using them, and on what idea are the based on?
How would they work?
What would be the pros and cons, the effects, if they were adopted as currency?
Would they solve some problems over overprinted fiat fake money?
What would be the risks of using birth certificates as currency, and how could the risks be avoided or controlled and minimized?
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6b7130 No.13641356
There is something I want to ask the original poster of this birth certificates idea, if he's still around here
>>13641181
>cause these folks will never use their own money or monetized birth certs to pay for anything they do.
Why do you think the kikejews wouldn't use a monetary system based on birth certificates?
I could imagine that happening only if every person could spend his own monetized certificates and not the one of others, so the kikes would be forced to spend their own birth certificates(which coincidentally would also leave their fingerprints over all their shady bullshit like financing woke shit like soros, or bribing politicians like aipac), but that wouldn't work because there wouldn't be an economy at all if the money can't circulate.
What did you mean then?
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940923 No.13641357
A unsaid premise of all this, is that there is no way to remove kikery without removing the kikes themselves.
So all this talk about monetized birth certificates is interesting but it will never happen or never work properly if TKD doesn't happen first.
Total Kike Death is a prerequisite of all this.
>>13641304
>MBT a newly created currency which is ties to the real birth certificates
>1) who creates the MTB ?
The state would need to do it, assuming a state controlled only by the citizens and not by kikes, no private bank, no stockmarket entity
>>13641307
>2) how are the MTB tied to the real birth certificates ?
>(how do you keep track of the tie between them, is there going to be a registry or database? who manages that registry, where would it be?)
>That's to say, monetized birth certificates would inevitably by centralized and state controlled.
>And maybe even digital, by necessity of being fractional like cryptocurrencies.
MBC would not necessarily need to be digital to accomodate the fractional need.
Just create the currency in already fractional formats, and continue to use a solid medium, be it paper or any other infinitely available resource to don't have issues with scarcity of the materials.
It wouldn't be the material of the currency to give value to the currency in this case anyway, the value would come only from the validity of the birth certificate and the implied assurance that the money is tied to the existence of a real person and all the economy revolving around said person.
So the MBC system could still work without the need of a ledger (like in the cryptos instead)
1 birth certificate = 1.000'000 MBC
the smallest unit of MBC being 0.000001
when a person is born, 1.000'000 MBC is deposited in the newborn account (or in the parents care)
no need to keep a centralized system for every transaction, not even a decentralized system like with cryptos
aside from the serial number on the MBC linking it to a single real birth certificate, and giving it validity, a serials record would need to be centralized and managed by the state, to verify the existing MBC and exclude falsified MBC
if a purely solid currency system is used
then when there is the need to have a fraction of an MBC unit, the state who created the MBC could manage that exchange
say you have 0.050 MBC and you need fractions of it because it's too big as an unit to be used, and would want in exchange of it ten 0.005 MBC units
the state would take the 0.050 MBC unit and destroy it (by disabling the serials of the MBC unit to be destroyed), and then recreate ten 0.05 MBC units (each one linked again by new serials serials to the original birth certificate) and give it back to the person who needed the unit split
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5534ea No.13641358
>>13641357
This is all a very convoluted way of saying that you want for the state to give a subsidy of a million dollars for every baby. That way a single mother can support herself by producing babies, and her children can do the same when they grow up.
You also want for the state to create its own counterfeit money that is just like valid money except for expired serial numbers. Presumably every point of sale would need to have a serial number checker connected to the Internet to keep expired money from circulating.
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ad8b2f No.13641359
>>13641322
>This sounds an awful lot like slavery.
Why?
>It would be better to start hemp backed currency.
How would hemp backed currency work?
Describe in in detail.
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3ed6db No.13641360
>>13641324
>It can also cause chain reactions where people have zero MBC at death because they were forced to spend their only MBC for someone else who also had zero MBC at death for whatever reason
I still have no clue how this would work, so it's all speculation.
Keep in mind poverty exist, and it will always exist, no monetary system is ever going to resolve poverty, aside ((((communistic)))) frauds where everyone is forced to own the same which often in reality means everyone is a slave and owns nothing.
MBC isn't going to resolve poverty, it's only meant to be at least better than the fake money central bank system created by the kikes. Which is yet to be seen if it can be better or not, since this concept lacks a precise definition of how it would actually work, which is what this thread is mostly about, defining how this would work.
That chain reaction would be possible but unlikely,
- First because it's assumed people dying with zero MBC would be a rare occurrence, there could be some retards trying to game the system by spending and wasting all their birthright MBC, but that "gaming the system" could be done only once, and then the entire family would no longer be able to do it for some generations.
(I say wasting, because when money is spent usually you should get something of value back, money is wasted only when you get nothing of value back, otherwise the person with zero MBC would still own property which would pass down to his relatives, so there wouldn't be real povery being passed down, the relatives would lose MBC but they would also get property which is the real value)
- Secondly because at anytime there can be only one person dead causing a MBC removal, while there should be in most cases more than one relative, so the eventual settlement of the expired 1 MBC would be split among the many relatives, meaning each relative wouldn't lose the full 1MBC of the dead, but only a small part of it, meaning there wouldn't be a chain reaction.
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3c8b92 No.13641361
(the full reply was like 6000 characters, and 8kun here can only accept 2000 characters for each post, so I had to split the reply in 4 parts) (2/4)
>the eventual settlement of the expired 1 MBC would be split among the many relatives, meaning each relative wouldn't lose the full 1MBC of the dead, but only a small part of it, meaning there wouldn't be a chain reaction.
Say a family is made of 5 people (it isn't the norm today, but it must be the norm)
father (dead) = 0 MBC
mother (alive) = 1 MBC
1st child (alive) = 1 MBC
2nd child (alive) = 1 MBC
3rd child (alive) = 1 MBC
after death 1 MBC would need to be removed from the dead person, but the dead owns 0 MBC, so the relatives have to settle that instead
each relative you lose not 1 MBC, but 0.25 MBC
the new family finance would be
mother (alive) = 0.75 MBC
1st child (alive) = 0.75 MBC
2nd child (alive) = 0.75 MBC
3rd child (alive) = 0.75 MBC
A negative chain reaction from broke death could happen only in this scenario:
father (dead) = 0 MBC
mother (dead) = 0 MBC
1st child (alive) = 1 MBC
2nd child (alive) = 1 MBC
In that case, yeah, both of the siblings would start of with 0 MBC each, because both their parents died too soon and they were also broke.
Is this likely? I would think not. In most cases the parents don't die when their childs are still young, but when their childs are already adults themselves, so they wouldn't start with zero.
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ff43de No.13641362
(3/4)
Also keep in mind MBC is only money, an intermediary to be used for trade, MBC is not value in itself, not owning MBC doesn't make you poor, is not owning property which makes you poor.
People being born with zero MBC (as unlikely as it may be) doesn't make them poor only because of that, it only means their family is contributing negatively to the economy and its monetary system so instead of adding MBC to the money circulation they are taking MBC away of it.
The same would normally happen if a family has less than 3 kids, or if that family contributes to a population decline, if the population decreses the quantity of MBC also decreses, and from where are those removed MBC taken from? From the families contributing negatively to the population, obviously.
Personally I think anyone making less than 3 kids in their lifetime has failed life itself, and while life is already punishing them, they deserve all of it.
the MBC sysyem would add no more burden than what people are already causing themselves with their stupid choices, the burden would only be more visible.
Then you should conside that if the relatives can be damaged by the stupid actions of their own, then they have not only the moral duty, but also the economic interest, to step in to stop their own relatives from causing them problems.
Like with the elderly wasting their time and money with gambling, it's the duty of the relatives to go to them and make them stop
< "Hey grandma, what the fuck are you doing? You are going to ruin not only yourself but also all of us, stop that. If you need a place to spend time and not being bored alone you can come to us anytime"
the relatives who are passive to a family member going down a bad road deserve to pay the fall of it
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c473e2 No.13641365
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>>13641324
>while people like Bill Gates accumulate for themselves millions of MBC.
That could only be resolved by the monetary system itself if the expired MBC of the dead would be taken not from the dead person but from the owner of the corresponding MBC, which would very likely hit mostly the people hoarding currency, like in your example
This case here
>>13641309
>If there is going to be a strict 1-to-1 link between real birth certificate the MBT, then the individual MBT of the dead person would expire, meaning some guys somewhere would suddently see their money disappear "sorry, the guy of your money just died", that would be lol but also very unpractical.
But as already said it would be unpractical and it would add an element of instability if at any given time your money can disappear from your purse because the person linked to it suddently died, not only for the (((billionarie))) but also for everyone else, including the broke motherfucker.
Unless you like more that version of expired MBC removal method, regardless of the consequences
Normally it isn't the duty of the monetary system itself to resolve wealth disparity, nor monopolism, that's something politics should deal with.
Politics should deal with wealth concentration by firstly not encouraging it, that alone would make people like Bill Gates stop existing.
And if you want more, there is always seizure and redistribution. Or just gradual taxation on profit to be then redistributed.
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3c8b92 No.13641366
>>13641358
Explain how would you make a birth certificate monetary system work then
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9cfc19 No.13641368
>>13641358
>Presumably every point of sale would need to have a serial number checker connected to the Internet to keep expired money from circulating.
It already happens
Don't you use solid money when you go buy groceries?
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9cfc19 No.13641369
>>13641361
>A negative chain reaction from broke death could happen only in this scenario:
>only 2 childs and broke parents
breaking that chain reaction is as simple as making more than 2 kids
the negative chain reaction continues only so long both parents waste money (you would gain some MBC back by just working ans saving, only who doesn't do that remains as 0 MBC) and they also make only 2 kids or less
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124c37 No.13641370
An other way to make MBC work would be to entirely copy the system from cryptos instead.
Create a new cryptocurrency, called MBC for example, and have the mining process be replaced, from aimless calculations to linking to birth certificate serials. (where you can create MBC only if you are the owner of the birth certificate you are using to create the currency)
The creation of new units of MBC could happen only by linking the birth certificate of a live person to the MBC currency, and the validity of the created MBC would last only so long the person referred in the birth certificate is alive, once the person dies all the MBC and fractionals linked to it would expire, whoever holds them would lose them.
Though the direct expiration method for removing old MBC makes this sounds like using apples or fruits as currency.
They would spoil relatively fast.
But the positive side of this is that it would be very hard to hoard currency like the kikes do.
The economy would revolve only around alive persons and their needs and the economy they themselves generate, and not around people speculating on the currency.
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fb8a7e No.13641371
>>13641358
>This is all a very convoluted way of saying that you want for the state to give a subsidy of a million dollars for every baby. That way a single mother can support herself by producing babies, and her children can do the same when they grow up.
This also wouldn't happen if the newly created MBC are owned only by the person they are referring to,
meaning the parents could not use the MBC of their children, only the children would own their new MBC
Also, as pointed out before, anyone gaming the system will be automatically hit back. So long the system is strict and zero sum based any shift will cause a shift back.
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abac1e No.13641377
The big problem you would run into is getting other nations to adopt this currency for trade. Many other nations are currently dumping US Treasury bonds because they know the US is completely insolvent and is going bankrupt. Countries like China already caught up with us and now are ahead as far as engineering, innovation, science and manufacturing. Russia not far behind China and India not far behind Russia today. Meanwhile we have little real industry, have Trillions in national debt, political unrest and extreme division in this country….. You reset a broken system like this and then what exactly? Beg other nations in the BRICS to reconsider a new global reserve currency controlled by us again? Sorry, I don't see it happening. The world is moving away from the US and the US Dollar. In due time, the EU will be forced to too or suffer the fate of USSA Today.
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abac1e No.13641378
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By the way, just so all you anons know the true demise we face today, while we sit here and complain about all our woes, debt insolvency and systemic corruption, countries like China are developing state-of-the-art high tech including flying cars by 2026.
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0f92a9 No.13641382
Ya'll sound like a bunch of Nigger. But then again haven't you subjugated yourself to the NIGGER-JEW DOLLAR
Does Islam destroy Jewish Usury Control Systems if not what can? The jews primary mode of power comes from them printing money, getting bailouts, and driving everyone else into debt. is this why more Islamic people are abandoning the national currencies and choosing monero?
Using a Jew Currency they print whenever they want and keeping your money in their bank? PATHETIC!
Why do you let Jews drive your governments into perpetual debt? you are weak cowards who have strayed from God!
If you did not get at least a bare minimum of 1 million dollars from the bailout like most of the jews did you are now THEIR economic wage slave. You are working for their Bailout Bucks they got for free, and NOW you work for that FREE money like a good Jewish Slave for THEM! The bailouts in the USA have now created a slave caste system. U didn't get 1 million in a bailout? Guess what your their slave for the Jewish Bailout Bucks now! What is worse is that you WILL keep your money in their bank account so that the jews can USE your money earn a lot of return and then kick you down a few bread crumbs while they keep the whole loaf of bread from investing your money. What kind of many keeps his money in a jewbag bailed out bank lol pathetic. bitcoin is getting replaced by monero fixes all this jew commie bailout bs. gold silver bullets guns and a small amount of monero are the white man's economy.
Another day another Jewish Bailout and Endless Nigger Handouts. Do you enjoy having your US Dollar debased so that Jews can use their banks like a casino and just get bailed out while giving endless nigger handouts and free housing for niggers free food for niggers!
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usa = commie jew nation with their bailout bucks
Jews rig elections uses nigger with endless handouts to destroy white societies.
jews can't collect income tax on an anonymous currency that they can't spy on people transactions. then steal ure money and give endless handouts to nigger pets to destroy white civilizations
monero replaces bitcoin and us petrol dollar
Monero is replacing Bitcoin Jews can't collect income tax on XMR fuck niggers
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4c8fd1 No.13641398
>>13641377
>The big problem you would run into is getting other nations to adopt this currency for trade.
Why would it be hard?
If you want to trade and do commerce in Italy you need to use italian MBC.
No italian MBC, no foreign commerce in Italy, simple as.
You want italian MBC to trade and run your foreign business in Italy? Then you must buy Italian MBC, with either your old currency or with your own national MBC. The exchange rate between different nations MBC is not going to be always 1:1, same as with any other currency.
Though, I think a nationalized MBC would work best if completely limited within national borders, meaning no national MBC would be allowed to be moved outside the nation.
Otherwise there could emerge a proble of a nation losing most/all of its money to a foreign nation. Which wouldn't be healthy for its economy, and not healthy for its citizens.
>You reset a broken system like this and then what exactly? Beg other nations in the BRICS to reconsider a new global reserve currency controlled by us again?
USA can burn for all I care, your dependence(exploitation) on the global economy is your own problem, the same as china is too much dependent on the global market and will inevitably going to suffer from it too the same as you guys, just give it time and watch.
To me the idea of MBC seems very centered around the individual person, meaning local communities and local economies of city level at most, meaning it would encourage a localist economy, not a globalist economy
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4c8fd1 No.13641399
A monetary system centered on goods and wealth doesn't make much sense.
Goods and things don't trade themselves.
It's people who give value to things, conversely things have value because they are needed by people, any economy only exists if there are people, without people there is no economy.
Having the monetary system being based and centered around people, seems like the most simple way to reflect reality. So having a monetary system which itself doesn't create illusions and doesn't facilitate the tricking & scamming of people.
A monetary system being based on birth certificates is one way to create a monetary system centered on people.
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abac1e No.13641403
>>13641398
Only one little issue, Europe would have to vastly re-industrialize and that takes a whole lot of work and skill based education (for skill based labor). It will also take massive resources to do so, does Europe have all those resources in their lands? That's a whole lot of extracting, mining, refining, drilling and land excavation without relying on global trade. Committing to it would mean potential conflicts over European land grabs, eminent domain enforcement by the government. This is the harsh reality and sacrifice for smaller nations to become self-sufficient and self-sustainable. Then you have to factor in some other questions: just how many strategic resources do we need vs how much we actually have? How much investment needed to extract what is needed properly? Do we have the manual skilled labor willing to engage in this massive re-industrialization? Etc.
Just so you know it only took 40 years to gut our industrial base in the US (an industrial superpower since the mid-1800s) and we still haven't recovered from it. After all, destroying is always far easier than building.
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5534ea No.13641422
>>13641366
As the OP, it is your job to make sure that you make a coherent proposal. Instead you have only been proposing an amorphous, ever-changing amalgam of globohomo ideas:
>mandatory universal ID
>centralized digital-only currency
>massive death taxes primarily affecting the middle class
>massive subsidies to immigrants
>"money" with an expiration date
>government tracking of all purchases
>government having the power to turn off someone's money
>strict controls on the populace, yet vast potential for undetected crime for the higher-ups
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abac1e No.13641432
>>13641399
This idea cannot be achieved without massive re-industrialization and the new currency being backed by something of tangible value (gold, silver, copper, oil, etc). Otherwise it's just another fiat currency or volatile crypto currency. It won't do society much good adopting another ponzi scheme.
>>13641422
That's exactly what should be avoided. For over 100 years America actually had a currency backed by gold and it worked, there was no inflation, it spawned the industrial revolution and made the whole country extremely wealthy by the early 1900s. Unfortunately for us, the Federal Reserve was founded in 1913 along with the income tax and from then on the ponzi scheme was born after gold was outlawed for some time after the Federal Reserve created the first great depression. It took another 5 or 6 generations of bad economic policy to completely ruin and gut out what we once had.
For Christ sake, if we adopt another currency we should at the very least demand it be backed by something like silver and legalize silver as a legal tender for purchasing power.
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cef871 No.13641438
>>13641422
>As the OP, it is your job to make sure that you make a coherent proposal.
What part of "defining a concept without a current definition" you don't understand?
I started defining it only to give the thread an headstart, but the definition of this idea should not rely entirely on me, because this is not my idea and i'm not proposing it, I'm trying to define it and the thread is about defining this idea, not proposing it.
> Instead you have only been proposing
Then you propopse a better way to organize this
This thread is about that, if you see any potential in this idea then try to make it work.
If instead the only thing you can do is complain, then you are not contributing anything of value.
Just say you are not interested in the idea, and stop wasting time.
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1b3776 No.13641439
>>13641422
Most of your critics are also shit and false, mostly projection of your own ideas rather than a reflection of what I said
>mandatory universal ID
False
what are you talking about? birth certificates already exist, are those mandatory universal ID? Then it's not something new and you are already living into it, what are you even trying to say? The water is wet?
>centralized digital-only currency
False
It depends how it's organized, one idea was of using the nation as central validation point
But I also suggested this could work by bowworing the cryptocurrency model, which is decentralized
Also this being all digital was not the only idea
>massive death taxes primarily affecting the middle class
paired with massive birth grants, so they even out, and only the retards pay from it
Do you want instead a system where the idiots are rewarded? And where the competent are penalized?
>massive subsidies to immigrants
false
where has this been suggested at all?
can you put the effort to make a serious critic, if criticising is all you do? Stop pulling shit out of your own ass
That point about immigrants and MBC hasn't even been touched yet, and it's very simple to resolve:
Just make it so any non-citizen born is a nation doesn't get any MBC from that nation.
MBC is only for the native citizens of the nation.
And no, your american "citizenship by birth" is your own problem, not mine, in italy you don't get to be a citizen only because you fuck on our soil, and it isn't even the problem of MBC, it's only a problem with your retarded american laws.
Don't drop the faults of your own laws on unrelated fields, if your laws suck, change them, so you'll have one less problem to deal with.
>"money" with an expiration date
where is the problem with that?
real solid money expire too, by damage of the materials or because they get lost
real solid money vanish and disappear all the time
>government tracking of all purchases
false
that only applies to the state centered validation, it doesn't with the other versions
unless you are going to come saying that cryptocurrencies also track all your transactions (which I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually true)
and that's also not a problem when using solid money
or maybe you like more the current system where it's a private bank to track your every purchase?
>government having the power to turn off someone's money
again, only if the state is the central hub of validation of the money
and again, do you like it better with the current system where it's a private bank owned by kiked which can freeze your bank accounts and turn off your money?
>strict controls on the populace, yet vast potential for undetected crime for the higher-ups
explain this one
which strict controls are there only on the populance?
what potential for unchecked crime up-above?
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6a8e3d No.13641440
>>13641432
>This idea cannot be achieved without massive re-industrialization and the new currency being backed by something of tangible value (gold, silver, copper, oil, etc).
You would need massive reindustrialization anyway, regardless of what currency you decide to use, it's a non-point
>if we adopt another currency we should at the very least demand it be backed by something like silver and legalize silver as a legal tender for purchasing power.
I favor barter money too, where the money is not an intermediary between value, but the money is value itself, so the money is just one other good getting traded.
Both gold and silver currencies are barter money, and I've no issue with that, all humanity has lived for thousands of years with it and there was no big problem from the money alone.
The only real and main problem with all monetary systems are the kikes. Remove the kikes and even the most weird system, like this birth certificate one, would work well too.
But this isn't the thread about defining how gold and silver backed money work, because everyone already knows how they work, there is nothing to define nor discuss over those. It's already clear.
Monetized Birth Certificates instead, are not clear, and not defined clearly. Which is why this thread exists, to define it better, and only after it's defined discussing it's merits and faults.
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5534ea No.13641452
>>13641438
The sensible approach to monetizing birth certificates:
>Authentic birth certificates of dead celebrities auctioned for charity.
There. Done.
But you don't care about being sensible because you want to push globohomo policies while pretending to be based and right-wing.
>>13641439
It morphs, it changes, it commits to nothing at all…
>Do you want instead a system where the idiots are rewarded?
You want a system where someone getting teen pregnant with a black baby is rewarded handsomely. Or alternatively the black baby is rewarded for living to 18 (or whatever age) without dying.
>paired with massive birth grants, so they even out, and only the retards pay from it
If people aren't supposed to use the system in any sensible situation, the system doesn't need to exist. You also haven't demonstrated why only retards would use their birth money. Are there supposed to be some sort of hidden negative consequences, such as randomly being forced by the law to go somewhere to pick strawberries for 15 minutes because the farmer got hold of some of your grocery money and wanted to turn it into labor?
>where is the problem with that?
Your grocery money randomly getting invalidated because an unrelated person had terminal cancer may be fine with you, but it's not my idea of how a monetary system should work.
What is even the point of explaining this all?
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383656 No.13641454
>>13641356
Wow… Pepe got BTC at 30k?! What a great price. Its like 120k now.
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f7e96f No.13641457
Fiat currency existed long before Jews…
Funny to watch you people cope though…
Stop acting so predictably and people with pattern recognition and data will stop being able to farm you.
You want that nice car…
You want that house you can’t afford…
You want the riches of society without any of the physical or mental effort…
You get debt and immediately become subject to m1/m2 currency supply and interest rates.
Having more than what you have..
Being given more than what you earned..
Trying to fill that void with expensive things…
It’s the bait that you eat up every-time.
It’s why you work the way you do…
It’s why you wake up…
It’s what you think about…
It’s how you compare yourself to others…
It’s how you measure success…
The problem has always been you.
Your ignorance.
Your craving.
Your lust.
Your emotional state.
Your sense of self.
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f7e96f No.13641458
It’s easy to rule you…
You love the existing incentive-structure of society…
You create it.
You sustain it.
You revel in the spectacle.
Everything you have is what you have collectively asked for. Demanded even.
This system… this system which will continue to exist through the chaos…
It’s built on top of your every day perceptions, influencing your decisions and actions.
You all desperately reach outward clawing for a savior; for catharsis….
To distracted to ever look inward…
So you will never find the change you seek.
Because the change you seek starts within you.
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f7e96f No.13641460
But who has time to seek within where everyone is so busy and infatuated with crying about the things outside of themselves and outside of their immediate control?
Playing games they have no hope of winning…
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d02c18 No.13641463
>>13641452
>Authentic birth certificates of dead celebrities auctioned for charity.
And with what are you going to pay for those? In tons of potatoes?
You still need a currency to auction the authentic birth certificates, and what currency is that going to be? Just the same jew controlled currency we have now?
Appreciate you making an effort in proposing something for once.
But your proposal would be just going away from the idea of using birth certificates as currency,
and just using birth certificates as any other tradeable goods within the jew money slave system.
It would change nothing.
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611f6c No.13641465
>>13641452
>You want a system where someone getting teen pregnant with a black baby is rewarded handsomely.
This was already talked and resolved before.
The parents don't get to use the MBC of their childs, there solved.
The childs can start to use their own MBC once they are mature enough to understand the value of money (to avoid the parents or any other scammer from just preying on their naivety and stealing their MBC)
>pregnant with a black baby
That's a very american problem, not a problem here in italy. Nor is nigger racemixing a feature of MBC, but it's a feature of america.
This is not about MBC, but it's about USA, so here a suggestion to solve your USA problems:
Just yeet all your niggers outside your nation, deport them all back to africa, and make it law than a child obtains automatic citizenship only when both of his parents are also citizens.
If only one of the parents is a citizen then the child is a second generation migrant, and the child gets no automatic citizenship.
There. Done.
> Or alternatively the black baby is rewarded for living to 18 (or whatever age) without dying.
Explain this one, I don't even understand where did take that from or how you reasoned to that point.
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0ea7a2 No.13641468
>>13641452 (the 2000 letters post limit of 8kun is really starting to annoy me) (this is part 1 of 2)
>>paired with massive birth grants, so they even out, and only the retards pay from it
>If people aren't supposed to use the system in any sensible situation, the system doesn't need to exist.
Why would that be "not using the system" ?
The base concept of a close and net zero monetary system, like it was in my version of MBC,
is that when you spend some of your MBC you have to later get those back by contributing some value, goods or service back to the other people from which you took something before.
The final balance of what you spend and took from others, and what you earned by giving to others, should remain mostly even, always close to 1 MBC, so that when a person dies they still own most of their initial 1 MBC, so the removal of their expired 1 MBC doesn't cause any problem for their relatives not any economic spillover to other people.
>You also haven't demonstrated why only retards would use their birth money.
Only retards would spend money without any plans to get them back. Eventually running out of money and going down to zero 0 MBC.
Only the retards make their families suffer "massive death taxes", and as argued before, it's the moral and economic responsibility of the entire family to correct a retarded member of their own to don't cause propblems to the whole family unit.
All other people would use their own MBC by spending but also earning it back.
You know, how real people have always lived, you work and then buy stuff with the results of your work. People gain and spend their currency all the time, that's how any economy works, no economy works with only spending. This isn't even about the currecy you decide to use, this is an universal thing regardless of the currency used, be it jew scam money, gold and silver coins, or MBC.
The zero MBC part is interesting though, since it acts as a minimun limit to insolvent people, it stops retards from accumulating infinite debts.
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ee6c76 No.13641469
>>13641468
(part 2 of 2)
>Are there supposed to be some sort of hidden negative consequences
… if you are broke, even with the current money, or in the past with metal coins, what can you do to don't starve and buy some food? You have to work, no other way around that.
This also has nothing to do with MBC, it's how any economy works.
>Your grocery money randomly getting invalidated because an unrelated person had terminal cancer
>may be fine with you
That's not fine with me, it's funny and stupid, but not practical, that was among the first two version of how to manage MBC expiration, and I excluded both versions right from the start, the third version was the MBC removal on the dead person
read back the post where I talked about that at first
>>13641309
>An other point to clarify is, when a MBT is removed from the economy once a person dies, from where are the MBT actually removed?
>There needs to be a better system to remove MBT of dead persons. It should not affect the alive people holding MBT, and it should not create distortions in the state internal economy.
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d59308 No.13641471
Though it's reasonable to expect all this talk may start to become confusing, and dispersive, with all the various version of it, some discarted and others not.
I'll try to summarize a "current version" later on, with all the corrections included in it.
There must be a short and concise answer for each of the starting OP questions
>What are monetized birth certificates?
>What are the reasons for using them, and on what idea are the based on?
>How would they work?
>What would be the pros and cons, the effects, if they were adopted as currency?
>Would they solve some problems over overprinted fiat fake money?
>What would be the risks of using birth certificates as currency, and how could the risks be avoided or controlled and minimized?
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4c8fd1 No.13641474
For reference, this is the kike money to go away from
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