/rwby/ - RWBY

How does it look, guys? Shit? Lame? Alright? Mediocre? Legendary?

>>36722

Qrow didn't fight very well for a veteran hunter.

V6E1: https://rtv3-video.roosterteeth.com/store/777dcdfb41acc2cebc48a69a94ab4460-f6785b63/ts/1540590815_index.m3u8

MP4 available in archive: mega:#F!ygF2xIRS!DlbbI_9Jmb0YHDKHItGSMQ!D0EQXYxb

New intro in embed

also NEO IS BACK

>>36725

Better intro than the last vol. M&K can nail it on her return or completely fuck it up, remember that. I think the background art got better. It's a wait and see to find out if this volume will fix the problems volumes 4-5 brought. I do have hope though.

https://rtv3-video.roosterteeth.com/store/777dcdfb41acc2cebc48a69a94ab4460-f6785b63/ts/f6785b63-hls_1080p-store-777dcdfb41acc2cebc48a69a94ab4460.m3u8

His accent is kinda heavy, but his analysis is pretty good. How everything ticks boxes for damage control in concept but not in spirit.

>>36733

So did I. I missed a bit of oomph regarding the camera work and sound design, but as long as I get my schlocky action I'm satisfied, and so far I am.

I don't really give a damn about the plot at all, but them going with the "reee adam is angsty" shit again kinda annoys me. I hope either he or torchwick/neo are redeemed if they're bringing them back.

Here we go. Tried to use the fancy link but it just keeps crashing. Webms are a little hard to see quality wise.

> First second, stock wind sound effect that doesn't fit the area and how strong we see the wind blowing.

> Hey look, the train is actually armored with guns on top.

> Did that Grim just fucking vanish in that grenade smoke?

> Pretty sure one of those grenade shots just went into the mountain and hit nothing. I keep wanting to say the camera is too close like in western action shows, but sometimes it's pulled back and it's fine.

> Fight was a little nonsensical, but alright. In fact the intro made a better preview than the actual preview. Shame the Adam scene kinda ruined it. A little too melodramatic.

[Stuff we saw in the preview. Despite what that guy in the vid said prior, I like this scene. It is totally damage control, but it's kinda like candy. Not filling but fun.]

> Is it just me, or does the score and faces kinda feel like a Pixar or Dreamworks film. Also, how can they time shit to the music in comedy scenes- and not the action like Monty did?

> Clever fake out hug-kiss.

> Hey look, Sun's admitting he's not done jack for his team.

> With how this has all gone, they could have had the fight from the intro here instead. Though I get the point of an action-y intro. Maybe have Grimm attack the station, then save more unique shit for a train-top fight? Unless we've done another flashforward and they didn't tell us. Fuck

> Nice totally battle ready poses by Dudley and Dee.

> Why the fuck would it be the on-board Huntsmens job to turn on the armor and cannons? Why not let the conductor know or apply some sensors so he can in case the Huntsmen dies before he can toggle the buttons himself? In fact, what if he lost his scroll?

> Really don't like the new explosion effects. Too cartoony around other realistic effects like snow and trees. Also they kinda lack punch. Same with the fireballs.

>>36734

Adam better not go down like a faggot again. I want my Blake Yang Adam showdown.

>>36735

> Shame one of the duo is dead- and no he can't come back because even if he survived he'd be several days walk behind RWBY- prior to the tunnel by a LONG way. And that arm should be MUCH more fucked up that it was.

> The way Qrow speaks sounds like Grim commonly attack turrets. If that's the case- why put the turrets on passenger cars? I get it's cost (lugging passenger cars with guns vs. lugging passenger cars and turret cars), but if it's as common an issue as Qrow acts like it is, why has it not been solved? Even I'm iffy on this complaint, since there is no real solution. Can't have a train ride in front to shoot them down since they'd be attracted to the mass of people rather than a handful of huntsmen

> "They might lose track of us". In a tunnel. And on railroad tracks. Most animals can work out where humans regularly go- Grim sure as hell could. Then again, Grim have been shown to be outright blind without a human attacking them or (presumably) having some negative emotion even when fighting them. But then that'd mean robots are better since they wouldn't pay attention to them at all if they're not being attacked and if they hit hard and fast- oh forget it.

> AND NOW AURA AND SEMBLENCE'S ARE LINKED!! FUCKING FUCK FUCK CONTINUITY FUCK FUCK

> No really- what value did Ozpin have to keep quiet? It'd come up in casual conversation as they were preparing for the journey. Literally every step outside of Mistral. And that sulky look from the rest of RWBY could not have been worse if they'd had added a womp womp sound effect.

> At least there's a vaguely logical reason to split-up outside of being separated by battle. Not to mention it does open up potential for story-lines with JNR being in Atlas for more time.

> The vocal song started a little rough, but got better once those horns kick in. Every time I want to say all their songs sound the same, they get really good

> Actually, even though it's slower, I like this fight.

> Oh god I hate grandma's voice.

> And the new intro shows the up close transformations of the weapons… And how they cheat with all the clipping. Not sure if they follow the season 1 transformations or these are the new models from the abandonment of MMD, but it looks bad.

> Despite that, it's OK overall. Sometimes backgrounds are plain, characters are too still, or that one smoke effect that's too realistic, but it seems OK. I do think it spoils a LOT of what the plot will be this season though.

< Grandma knows about the silver eyes.

< Qrow is gonna have a crisis of confidence and/or sink deeper into booze.

< The gang are gonna have to go through a cave/mine to get to Atlas. It'll have a Grim(s) with many tentacles.

< We're gonna learn more about Ozpin's past. Possibly his old "team" (most likely the inspiration for the 4-man groups in the academies).

< Ozpin is gonna know/do something that pisses off Jaune. This does show they must get back in communication for such a scene to happen, meaning the final episode could be bitter-sweet.

< Jaune: "Glad you survived the trip here." [Horrible Secret] "I've totally quit this adventure and won't come back to help next season for drama.

< Adam and possibly Neo are gonna show up for fights.

Overall, not bad. A lot of fixes were just to keep critics quiet, and I'm concerned that'll be their approach instead of learning. I just hope they don't keep fixing the problems a season later and understand how to build the world first.

>>36737

>I just hope they don't keep fixing the problems a season later and understand how to build the world first.

From what I know little about world building it's probably best to leave it out and learn how things work, like culture and shit like that.

Besides all the plain nothingness, I was hoping they'll have a landmark or two like a remnants of a forgotten warwhere Grimm lurks around the trotted fields, an old tower or possibly anything that stands out.

>>36728

>>36726

> Fighting choreography has improved, but the fights still don't have that je ne sais quoi that Monty's fights had. Really, the fights lack the art and rhythm that Monty, Shane, or Dillon put into them. I understand: you can't create art by committee, and can't pivot a commercial product on one or a few artists.

> Ruby keeps doing her telelport thing for even trivial reasons.

> Ruby carries Weiss in the teleport thing.

> Dudley should have neary ripped off that arm. At that speed, even a brick wall is a meat cleaver.

> Roman's hat in the intro. This better foreshadow Neo's return.

>>36745

> Also, everyone still uses their weapons either as a melee weapon, or as a ranged weapon, but not as a combination of both.

>Goodbye to the writer's pet character, Ilia. What effect could the Faunus saving Haven have on the Mistrali opinion of them? How bad could public opinion of have been if Leo Lionheart was headmaster of Haven? The Fall of Beacon apparently did nothing to public opinion of Faunus despite the White Fang being involved. Was there some widespread anti-Faunus feeling in Mistral that the writers forgot to tell us about. No, one bar sign out in the boonies doesn't count.

>But Ghira started the White Fang and it failed. It was usurped by someone who was smarter and had more ambition. Why would you have faith in whatever new movement he may start?

>How are Sun & his team travelling to Vacuo when the new semesters were supposed to be starting up at the Huntsmen Academies? Haven Academy wasn't destroyed and didn't loose any students.

>What bothers most about RWBY in the train cabin is them not talking about anything plot relevant. We'll see if it stays like this throughout the

>Yang/Blake drama is passé. Blake left for an important reason, 2 reasons actually. If Adam was going to make good on his threat then her parents were targets and only she was in condition to deal with it when she left. There are no apologies to be made here. This scene is just shipping fuel and feelz. And that they had to contrive that Yang's Scroll would be in her bag instead of on her person is sad.

>Nice of Qrow to remind us he's a drunk and a screw up. Also sad they had to use a cocktail glass asset from the V4 charity function.

>Now we come to what I was afraid they'd do with these hunters. They've made them completely responsible for the security of the train and also thoroughly incompetent. Charge the giant winged-Grimm with my electric stick is not a rational strategy.

>The turrets keep appearing & disappearing.

>Return of the "hero shot"

>Why ask Ruby what the plan is when the veteran "professional Huntsman" is standing right there? And why is Qrow in the rear? I forgot nobody actually listens to Qrow (e.g., Ruby & Jaune) in combat situations. The show really does seem to have made Qrow into a joke since V4C7.

>And now I'm noticing this is a single track rail line. That creates problems with the departure times listed earlier. No, I'm not a railfan and have no idea why you would even think such a thing.

>The turrets reappeared!

>Wow! An actual moment where neither Ruby nor Weiss yelled HYAA! More of this, please.

>This is probably the dumbest moment in this chapter. Train security should be in the hands of the conductor and his crew not some hiree Huntsman. And it would've been simpler to have the windows covered with one solid piece of armor so the scared passengers can't see whatever threat is out there and get themselves more frantic.

>They set up the problem of the turrets wrong. The first thing they do when activated is take out 4 Grimm in 1 second. Their effectiveness should largely free up the heroes to focus on the lead Grimm. But somehow the people panicking in the train is less of a draw for the Grimm than the turrets. We're also on video game rules where the enemies keep spawning until you reach a certain point. The turrets should be an invaluable asset in this situation. Nobody ever noticed turrets were a problem before this?

>They really can't decide how may turrets or train cars are between Qrow & Dudley, can they?

>Somebody just push Nora off the train, please.

>Oscar gets to do a hero run, really? This argument with Dudley & Oscar is silly, given what they'll tell us later.

>Nobody is consistently anywhere on top of this train.

>They chickened out on the injury. Miles & Kerry are very inconsistent when it comes to violence in the show. Last volume Vernal got impaled onscreen but Leo's death was offscreen. At the very least Dudley's arm should have been bent in an unnatural way.

>Qrow decides his hostility is a good thing to add to an already volatile situation.

>Those deep soulful eyes, the feelz.

>Unless Ruby can stick her head out of that window there is no way she saw the Grimm following the train into the tunnel.

>Why are these people not in their cabins? Where is this train's crew?

>Why is Qrow even here? He should have just put seen them off at the station that way he wouldn't look as useless as he does in these scenes.

>If Grimm are attracted to the relic, what's happened these 2 weeks since it came out of the vault?

>Yes, Ruby, that's why knowing that the relic is a dinner bell for Grimm would have been nice to know before you got on a train.

>What draws more Grimm? Scared passengers, turrets, or the relic?

>Blake troubled by visions of Adam now? 3 volumes later? And without his mask?

>If the Grimm are drawn to the relic why is Oscar only having to fight off one. And why isn't the boss Grimm trying to get to him?

>And they're back to yelling Hyaa! again.

>How did the tail of that Grimm not bite Qrow but just knock him back instead? It has a mouth on it right? And then he gets dropped by a fireball of the kind that Ruby's been blocking all this time with no trouble. Qrow gets no respect.

>That ice skating motion for Weiss is klunky and needs to be eliminated.

>They can't decide if Qrow or Weiss is closer.

>This plan to hold the Grimm down may have worked if they'd pinned its wings to it's side. There really is no way Blake or Yang are heavy enough to keep him from taking flight.

I hate Hyaa-Weiss! But now it should be apparent why that earlier moment where she nearly fell off the train was bullshit.

>And much like V5C2, the finishing move causes the enemy to release a blast that in turn makes the vehicle crash or derail in this case.

>>36746

Ruby did use the kickback once or twice behead/dismember Grimm- but overall your point stands.

>>36748

>Why does there need to be an "official story" for what happened at Haven?

I think they meant not telling people about the relics or Salem's crew. And covering up Leo helps keep faith in the academies and Huntsmen. But your other points in that sentence (and your posts overall) still stand.

> Funny how despite Nora literally throwing herself between Ruby and Yang neither one of them actually talk to her at any point in this scene.

It's a common complaint of the show- if it's not on screen it doesn't exist. It happens in fight scenes (even during Monty's reign to an extent) and especially in dialogue. It feels like a sitcom where- no matter how large the group- everyone focuses on one person talking. The convo between RWBY could be happening while we have JNR in the background talking about something. Then we focus on Nora talking about the beach, we have RWBY having some unheard background conversation. By not showing the people talking in smaller groups, dipping in and out of the other groups conversations, and those groups shifting and changing- it makes it less connected. Obvsiously there are scenes where everyone should be talking about the same thing in one big group (lamenting over Dee and Dudley, )

> Also sad they had to use a cocktail glass asset from the V4 charity function.

It's a fancy glass for a fancy drink, I'm not gonna complain about asset reuse like that. I am gonna bitch about having a glass that shape on a train that can rattle and shake around. It's not like a luxury train like the Orient Express (where they'd do shit like have the waiters wear pure white to show they would not spill anything and the ride was smooth). In fact, in the rare times trains do sell alcohol, it's usually in a cheap plastic cup and a can. Although I guess the focus of the scene is to remind us he's a drunk if they're gonna focus on that this season like the opening implies.

> At the very least Dudley's arm should have been bent in an unnatural way.

While the rules of Aura are inconsistent, I can see it reducing the impact just enough to still cause the arm bone to break, maybe tear some muscle, but for nothing to rupture the skin or have the break be so major as it can be observed/misshapen. But, it makes aura look super powerful. Compare the strongest hits people have suffered and walked away from (explosions, gunshots, swipes and slashes from monsters as big as dinosaurs) but this is the one that did the most damage.

>>36748

>They keep this up and he'll be describing himself as a virgin with rage.

You can't tell me that with how manipulative he was with Blake that he wasn't tapping that.

>Why does there need to be an "official story" for what happened at Haven?

You need to explain the extreme police response. Rumors are bad, and if you even look like you are hiding something, they swirl out of control. So, they chose little lies covered up by a big truth.

>No signs on trash or recycling cans, no signs indicating exits, the way to the ticket booth, or the tracks.

Was the last thread where someone posted the FF XV critique video where the youtuber says that it's really the little details that create a world? I'm glad I watch the shitty WEBM that kind anons post here: I can' see most of the shit that drives people batty, like them misspelling Branwen.

> He's millenia old, why would Dee & Dudley even be worth noticing?

They missed a good character moment here. Ozpin could have recognized one of them as a former student and remarked about how wrong he was about him. Or how the other had such a negative influence on him. Instead, we get a character-breaking "I hope he wasn't from Beacon."

>>36749

>Nice of Qrow to remind us he's a drunk and a screw up.

I was a little offended when he didn't comment about losing said drink.

> Why would you have faith in whatever new movement he may start?

Just restating it for effect.

> They've made them completely responsible for the security of the train and also thoroughly incompetent.

I'm going to defend this: Dee and Dudley are basically mall cops. They are security theater. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this was a relatively safe line. That said, your follow up about how the conductor should be in charge of defense deployment is perfectly valid.

>>36750

>If Grimm are attracted to the relic, what's happened these 2 weeks since it came out of the vault?

Again, going out on a limb and using my own creativity to fill in for bad writing: nothing happened because the vault had no effect on the relic. Mistral protected the relic from it's negative effects, and those effects aren't so negative as to have destroyed Mistral. This is consistent with them needing to protect the passengers: the godly artifact is not so godly that the train route was flooded with grimm, it just drew a grimm that normally would have stayed away.

>>36735

>Webms are a little hard to see quality wise.

forgot to ask, is it just the resolution or is there something else. I can bump up the resolution but then I'd have to post it in more parts. If that's okay, I'll try it next chapter.

>>36754

So, they watched Star Wars and Coco too many times, and then made a character? I don't mind the Mexican old lady, but I do mind how heavy-handed it is. She doesn't quite fit the setting.

God, I hope they don't go down the Atlas is fascist America route and have some sort of "oppressed" Mexican stand-in group. Because what we really need is another poorly executed oppression subplot. Remember, Texas, you didn't steal that land from Mexico, you stole it from the Plains Indians that the Mexicans were terrified of.

Like a battered housewife, I came to watch the start of V6. I dare say it's an improvement over the last 2 volumes. Not by much. The action is still subdued compared to the Monty era. Adam should just be mercy killed since his character and badassery have been grounded into mush. It's enjoyable if you lower your standards to the bare minimum.

>the Relic of Knowledge can only answer three questions every hundred years

Shit loot. Take it to a vendor and sell it for some gold.

V6E2: https://rtv3-video.roosterteeth.com/store/6fb4c16cf89618013915b03ba9d5349e-5e7b0e96/ts/1541197293_index.m3u8

>>36762

My sauce is better:

https://www12.kickassanime.io/anime/rwby-volume-6-769679/episode-02-942427

>trusting (((Ozpin)))

wew lad

>>>/caco/

our alternative board

>>36763

Not for my purposes. https://github.com/dannyvoid/RoosterRipper

I had to extract this from that link though. https://rtv3-video.roosterteeth.com/store/6fb4c16cf89618013915b03ba9d5349e-5e7b0e96/ts/5e7b0e96-hls_1080p-store-6fb4c16cf89618013915b03ba9d5349e.m3u8

I also edited the rooster_ripper.py to have the videos convert to mkv instead of mp4 (as easy as changing .mp4 to .mkv in notepad, cause ffmpeg will do the rest). Doing all of this, I can get what I assume is the highest quality available for download.

Sorry to double post

>>36771

I just used the KickAss link, but odds are that place will get hammered eventually (or your ISP will get mad you are visiting a piracy website).

I'll test your method next time. If true, good work man.

I made some spelling errors so I'm just gonna repost this and delete my old post.

>>36762

> On closer examination of the intro, it should have been obvious it was Cinder from the shape of the blade.

> I hope this is Grim arm or Salem's powers. Because if not it's a hell of a Deus ex Machina. Also, why tell us now, and not as a flashback after RWBY and co see her? I know some people hate flash-back episodes, but imagine if we had a reveal of Salem at the end of an episode, then the next was all the Salem content from now until then?

> And flash-back again I know I just asked for a flashback, but the timeline ping-ponged last episode as well. Do it as much as you can in one go. And joking about how they fucked up with the house last season.

> Size changing bullshit. Why not make it small enough to fit on a key-ring or necklace?

> I do wonder if each relic will be based on a powerful relic from fairy tales. The Genie's Lamp, Excalibur, The Golden Fleece, a needle that causes sleep who knows. Hell, it doesn't even have to be a powerful relic, but something of great important. An apple related to poison or death for example.

> How heavy is the snow-fall to get the bike covered in snow like that? I get a bunch of snow was tossed around, but it'd be a hell of a situation to get the bike to land upright and snow to then land on top of it.

> Everything about that 25 year old Grandma voice.

> Ozpin's excuse makes sense, but being who they're up against- learning to control emotions is gonna be better than lying and hoping they don't come about. Hell, you know what would have solved it? A pep talk.

< Yes this attracts Grim, but I have faith in all of you. I know you all would have passed with flying colors if you graduated. In fact, Qrow, do something to give them all official licenses.

> I think I hate it more for the fact they're doing it to combat critique. It makes the characters even more sporadic as to why they didn't probe for more questions before on many matters, and they don't demand many more answers now.

> And I actually agree with Ozpin's logic on why he kept the secret. Less so the "don't judge on one lapse in judgement" bit. There's a way it could have been said without invalidating Ozpin's role as "wise old man who is always right". Make the forgiveness a footnote and turning him into a martyr to inspire others and not cause more misery/grim attacks to the forefront.

> And I really like that twist about Leo not being "the first". The synchronized cape whip was a little off putting, but it surprised me. Actually wish they kept the double-voice overlay for highly emotional moments.

> God damn I'm gonna get shat on for this, but they've handled Ozpin excellently. Having him have many traitors/failed allies in the past would be the perfect reason to not explain everything and compartmentalize. Or am I in a minority here?

> Oh wow it really is a genie. Or Oracle I guess. Hoping they wouldn't wish on it by just telling them it was out of juice was kinda dumb tho. Just say it's a key or a guide or lie.

> WAIFU SUMMONS! Fuck yeah!

> Making it not a genie was actually smart though. Stops them wishing out of problems, or Ozpin having used the wishes earlier. In fact, saying she can't predict the future stops potential plot holes as well. True with enough omnipotence and the right question you can still manipulate events for at least one generation/100 years. Depends when Ozpin made that wish.

> God the brown-haired girl is cute. Maybe it's the crotchless slacks that are doing it for me.

> Not even a pat-down? Really?

> Huh, Little Miss Tuffet. Clever, I like it.

> Putting it up-sidedown does not hide it was another graphical engine.

> Why is Grandma here plot-wise?

> Love Yang's fist clench when Ozpin says Ruby.

> Same vision, but each sees it isolated. Very interesting. I like it a lot.

> SALEM IS RAPUNZEL AND THE EVIL WITCH?! I mean princesses in towers is not just restricted to that but fucking hell that was a surprise.

> Where the fuck is this cave and non-snowy forest, lol

I hate to say it, if this was episode one of the new series, I'd be singing it's praises (not having a fight in episode 1 aside).

One of the biggest points we all miss about RWBY is that some other shows do just as bad in terms of plot-holes, pacing, characterization, etc. But we may not notice is because we're entertained. With entertainment, we don't nitpick. We shove snacks in our mouth and enjoy the show- whether it be intellectually stimulating or kick ass low-brow fun. In fact, a lot of stuff I complained about here is not a big deal, it didn't stop my enjoyment of this episode, and it wouldn't had made it more entertaining if it was "fixed" for me.

This was the first time I was entertained by RWBY in a long time. Lets hope they keep it up.

>>36771

>>36773

Glad to help!

I also should have mentioned that the mkv/mp4 thing is probably unnecessary, and as far as I know, it shouldn't change the quality at all, since they're just containers for everything, but I wanted to add that in there as another option. I prefer my things in mkv, since it's the superior format, but mp4 is more universally adopted, so some people may prefer or require that. I don't believe it should change anything substantially, but I also don't know the ins and outs of video containers, so I could be missing something. In the end, I just err on the side of caution and use mkv when I can. I just checked to be sure though, and I see no difference in quality.

>>36764

>I knew Cinder wouldn't stay dead, they wouldn't kill her off so easily.

>I guess that's an interesting ability for the relic to have, but the drawbacks are too severe.

>I kind of feel bad for Ozpin, must be rough to be an immortal motherfucker.

>Wait, so now the relics can summon genie style chicks? I'm starting to get confused as to where this is all going.

>Aww, so the robed figure is just Cinder. What a shame.

>Why's she so surprised at Malachite's whole spider thing?

>A genie-like character named Djinn. Isn't that a little on the nose?

>So I'm guessing Ozpin doesn't want them to ask questions because he knows they'll ask about him and it might make them not trust him anymore.

>Well, I was on the nose with that one.

>Human Salem was pretty hot, not gonna lie.

I guess I don't really have much criticism aside from wishing they'd done something like this earlier.

>>36775

My only issue is when I use it (the m3u8) it lags and crashes. Downloads via VLC also just straight up don't work for me, but I have an older system.

>>36777

I'm not too sure how you're using the m3u8. If you mean you're somehow watching it in VLC or so, then it's still going to have to download the video either way. The m3u8 just points to the video, but the video is still hosted elsewhere. So, it could be lagging for at least two reasons. One being that you're not downloading fast enough, and the other being that your computer can't play back the video fast enough. I'm going to assume it's probably your internet connection. If you do the thing I was talking about with RoosterRipper, then it should download as fast or as slow as you need it to. It will just end up as a file on your computer, and you can watch it that way. It downloads to your desktop by default.

>>36770

Cinder turns good or some shit

>>36781

yes

>>36781

I'm more surprised it's here and now. I'd have put money on it being closer to the end- if not the season before or during the final season. Building up the mystery around her before a pay off. Now we're gonna know exactly who she is and her motives for the rest of the story.

Which can work out fine- don't get me wrong.

>imagine tricking yourself into revealing the truth and literally wasting a question

LOL

>>36768

>>36779

> "What is Ozpin hiding from us?" Is one of the worst most non-specific questions one could ask about someone who's supposed to be millennia old. I'd think the shear amount of things Ozpin's hiding would be more than she could imagine. Words are important in magic, the wrong ones could cost more than life or leave you bound to something in ways that would make death seem preferable. Now I'm wondering if requests have a cost?

Given that her name is Djinn, I want to believe that the answer to "What is Ozpin hiding from us?" is going to be the least useful thing that Ozpin happens to be hiding from them. Djinns are notorious, in their own mythology, for fucking over the person asking a wish. While words are important to magic, wording is super fucking important to djinns.

I think it would be hilarious for one of them to see Ozpin's entire life, leaving them so overwhelmed that they can't give any specifics. One of them needs to see Oscar spanking his monkey and mumbling about Ruby. Make Blake see some Faunus genocide.

>>36789

If fan theories are correct, we have a TON to see.

Salem's origin, the birth of the grim, the war of the kingdoms, the peace treaty that followed, Faunus persecution, the silver eyes, the fall of Mountain Glenn, Team STRQ's downfall- you could dedicate a whole season to each.

But I assume for brevity we'll just get Ozpin's origins.

Being Djinn (or Jean?) can only answer questions in a more oracle fashion, I don't think she'll do evil (she can only tell a person what they ask and we've got one question left). She's shown no malice, and may just do some playful teasing, joking, and flirting. But who knows. For all we know she used to be a person and Ozpin put her in the lamp. Grim are attracted to negative emotion after all, and 10,000 years will give ya such a crick in the neck.

While I'm liking the show a lot more, interesting points raised here.

> The Relic Of Knowledge Is Just A Semblance

In other words, in a world where "magic" is something more special than the super-power, he's arguing the relics and maidens aren't on that higher level. If you have luck manipulation, why shouldn't scrying be one?

Of course that's mainly down to how it's presented. And while I agree the maidens have looked pretty tame (not including Cinder during the fall of Beacon), I think the fancy visuals with the Lamp has helped sell it.

>>36789

I hope they do that kind of thing. But hey we'll see

>>36796

> Everyone had magic

Oh lord that is gonna be hella difficult to balance lore wise. Ask anyone on /tg/ what happens when you take the potential of magic too seriously and you're talking about gods among men even with simple shit.

>>36790

I think that her answer either needs to be utterly pointless, or it needs to cover everything (by which I mean Salem and Ozpin's origin, the Maidens, the McGuffins, the war, the king of Vale, and the Academies). Team STRQ's downfall would not be important to Blake or Weiss. And, the Grimm and Silver Eyes seem to be out of his league (I'm also okay with putting the McGuffins into the category of shit he found out about during his life but doesn't know the origin of; I'll be disappointed if the maidens also fall into that). Just getting Salem's and/or Ozpin's origin is a little too plot convenient.

>>36798

So, magic is broken and someone blew up the moon to kill a wizard living up there? Ozpin is actively preventing humans from learning magic because it would break civilization?

It would be delicious if Oz brought about technology powered by Dust, and thus the Faunus enslavement, in order to give humans the power to defend themselves from Grimm without magic.

>>36794

While she may look like a character from some anime, she also looks like a generic rule 63 of the Disney's Aladdin Genie.

>>36800

That would make thematic sense the wizard of Oz was a man of science lying that he was a great and powerful wizard. Ozpin is a man of magic that lies to protect others (though could be argued he's being selfish since he has no faith in anyone). I don't think Ozpin would have been the one to make Dust work however.

>>36804

I meant that only in as much as, say, someone showing that steam can be harnessed to power an engine. Using his superior knowledge, he showed people how to do magic-like things using this curiosity of a material called Dust. And his knowledge of magic gave him a heightened sense of what is possible in the world: instead of a dreamer trying to invent tomorrow, he is an old man trying to recreate yesterday (without the threat of nuclear –magical– destruction).

>>36806

That would be funny. Tries to prevent nuclear –magical– destruction, only to make nuclear –dust– destruction. The cycle only shifts but never truly changes. A cruel truth that the immortal man denies.

>>36805

> That artist

While the rookie artist sees concept art that doesn't go to use, and the accountant sees employee time wasted, the director sees exercises in flushing out the world.

Monty didn't have him draw the engine of a car to fuck with him, he had him draw the engine of the car to get him thinking about how the car works in the system of that world, and thus how that world works. I hope that one day he can look back and see how that experience helped him create better art for the series.

>>36808

>I hope that one day he can look back and see how that experience helped him create better art for the series.

He's now the art director of RWBY, Camp Camp and a bunch of other RT properties so one would have hoped he'd realized it years ago. If he really regards it as a waste and it hasn't informed his design philosophy as you said, then nothing came of it.

>>36807

We're past the stage of needing to hide spoilers, but just in case

there's no logical reason a Dust Nuke shouldn't be possible. The fact that dust can have an explosive elemental reaction means you can create a lot of heat, cold, electricity, gravitational pull, etc. Combine any of the above with regular chemicals and you've got some nasty shit. Plus it kinda writes itself when you consider RT's anti-nationalist stance. Atlas has enough dust to sell to the world to stop them going to war, but they stockpile it and make missiles for when they go to war because they stopped selling dust. Nationalism r dumb, make bridges not walls.

>RWBY Combat Ready Overview by Arcane Wonders

>>36754

Kind of late but, all they would need to add to Weiss and Nora is a fluff petticoat, a ruffled, layered thing that goes underneath the skirt or dress.

It could be everywhere, even underneath and it wouldn't even be out of place, whatever they're doing with the edge of the same dress is unusual - if that's what they're going for, it's probably aesthetic.

At least we can see the true 'Thigh High,' thigh highs, that's probably what they're going for, and it works because who doesn't like actual thigh highs.

https://invidio.us/watch?v=yV6Qsm-DIBQ

Heh, either a friendly conversation of the past, or just narration.

V6E3: https://rtv3-video.roosterteeth.com/store/0d4f37d20933f2f09f61b58b4e500f8c-62a50565/ts/index.m3u8

>>36852

>It's a Ozpin did nothing wrong episode

>Salem and Ozpin just divorced

>Gods are assholes and destroyed the moon for no reason

LUL

>>36852

Bring on the webms/MP4s plz.

https://www13.kickassanime.io/anime/rwby-volume-6-769679/episode-03-932814

A glorified Powerpoint presentation. Bravo RT. So much talking, it should have been a WoR segment.

>>36852

I liked it. I'm not necessarily a fan of the lore, but the fact that at least the world is now grounded and basically all questions regarding salem, the maidens, the relics, why magic is a big deal, etc. have been answered in some sort of logical sense.

Some of the logic was a bit shaky though. The only reason Salem became what she did is because the gods decided to be dicks for the hell of it.

>>36855

The presentation could have been more dynamic but in a long running series (supposedly RWBY can go on until at least volume 10), half an hour of necessary exposition doesn't hurt too much.

So after they wiped out the first humanity, where did the second generation 'non-magic version' of humanity come from? I assume evolution but then where did they get their semblances from? I guess they naturally developed their aura into semblance abilities as they became sentient?

>>36863

Might be a holdover from the previous population's magic powers. Or maybe it's something the writers couldn't explain either and therefore conveniently left out.

Spoilers below

Too much to block out, and it just looks plain ugly.

> Oh OK, the gods legit exist. No mystique or metaphor, just pop up for a visit and see them. Not even a trial to see a god or try to revive the dead like in other myths. Maybe it's just a personal choice I don't like it.

> Also god is basically a Faunus. They were never gonna show Faunus in a bad light unless they were rogue individuals, but they are literally god's chosen by the look of it.

> Nice godly voice. Or not.

> Actually back up- the gang now knows god exists. How are they not going to have an existential crisis over this? Praying for all sins to be forgiven or maybe even trying to find this realm of light to solve Salem and all the other problems of the world.

> God that skeleton looks weird without cel-shading. I get not all objects get cel-shading, but some bits do.

> If you're the god of light- why let the god of darkness create anything? Even with you. He looks sketch as fuck. Oh, and the Grim are just hanging out. No fan-fare with their appearance. Imagine if we'd have seen Ozma and Salem fighting Grim- wouldn't that be interesting in our action show.

> Salem's reaction to Ozma being sent back down under was a little under-emotional- in animation.

> That's better! Much more godly looking. Could need a touch more glowing maybe. I dunno.

> That line read of "you monsters" sucked, but the tears in the eyes in the scene after was pretty cool.

> I actually like the punishment the gods inflicted on Salem. Sure we have meta-knowledge that making anyone immortal as a punishment is a good way to make a life-long enemy, but in creation myths, it makes some sense. Like this punishment would be enough to send 99.9% of people wailing in despair and cause introspection.

> Ruby didn't need to look at the shadow, but w/e.

> OK I don't like Salem being "neutral". She uses the Grim (creation of darkness) and looks straight up evil. I'm honestly shocked the dark god didn't make a backhanded deal. "Make darkness reign and I'll let you die."

> I do love her plan however. It perfectly matches what she's been doing so far- turn nation on nation by feeding their desires/twisting ideology. Though I feel you'd need to make a hell of a speech to convince everyone who has the gift of the gods to try and turn them against them.

> These .pngs can't work when it's something everyone would turn to face!!

> I do love the dark god's VA though.

> Also, what the dark god did seems overblown- especially after a speech on the balance of light and death. Again, if we saw Salem had all of humanity already on her side, sure. But even then, "we need to keep the balance. Unless they try to kill us which wouldn't work anyway, then fuck 'em." Light god didn't even flinch and called life "an experiment". If we were supposed to find these gods fair, then no. They are falable and fucking petty. Imagine being the RWBY crew seeing this. "Don't chase the heaven equivalent, god's a dick just like Satan! He'll punish all for the sins of one and basic human desires like wanting to live forever or keep loved ones alive."

> And the moon destruction was just a tantrum/fender bender. Why not say like "When you look upon the world in light, it's barrenness will remind you. When you look upon the moon at night, it's shattered state will remind you." At least make it grandiose. In fact at one point I was nearly gonna say the whole flashback was on the moon before it was left to turn barren/destroyed as the gods made Remnant.

> Animated explosion clouds far too small and out of place. Reee.

>>36865

> "Yo Ozma, fix our mistake. It's not like we can still kick her ass six ways to Sunday." Feel like they could have handled it, but alright. I guess Ozpin did no wrong, and that'll never change. Can you tell I rewrote this post while watching? That aside, some signs of arrogance/selfishness/willing to go too far for her would have helped sell what happens later.

> In fact, this goes further to show it would have worked better if Salem was working for the dark god on the sly (and he genocided against the consent of the light god, or just played dumb on what Salem was doing to save his own ass), so that the light god would use Ozma to stop her. Neither god wants to fight directly because of the universe-ending consequences, but both will use humans (Dark to further it's goals, and Light to keep the balance and stop dark).

> While the Light god is being a lying dick (Dark did it all, I couldn't stop him, really), I do like the logic of how them being absent stops the magic working.

> Artifacts look cool. Surprised only two of them seems to be a fairytale/myth artifact (lamp and sword. Unless there are famous crowns and scepters)

> Aaand now the maidens are pointless. Unless she hopes the Maiden powers combined can kill the gods. You know- the magic powers that were probably granted by the gods in the first place yet were somehow still working when they left. That worked so well last time. Hello plot hole- god I missed you!! Nothing can quell how angry I am-

> OZPIN WAS HAPPY BEING A GOD?! What the fuuuuuck?! Ok, I take it back, he made plenty of mistakes. Again, they needed to show more of them talking/acting to sell him falling into this temptation, and him ruling over humanity and what kind of god he was, but my god he fucked up bad. You'd have to hear what Salem said from a loved one to think "yep, this is what a healthy person would say." Scenes of Salem starting to hate humans and Ozpin realizing he's making shit worse by ruling/getting his memory back would have worked wonders.

> Also, they really should have repeated the first episode dialogue as a refresher. It's been years man.

> God Salem and Djinn sound to similar.

> And Salem wanting to repopulate the world really doesn't work- unless we saw her grow to hate humanity. In fact, we don't even know if she liked ruling over them or not.

> This is the Ozpin/Cinder fight all over again.

> What's the point of the series if Salem can't die? Talk her round? Lock the witch in a box and hope she can't magic her way out?

>>36866

A mixed bag- loved and hated lots of different bits with nothing in between. Kind of agree with >>36855

May have been better with no dialog from Djinn and instead we just had scenes of everyone talking and making it obvious what is going on. I think you could have still kept the episode the length it was. It sounds daft, but having a person tell a story leaves less interpretation open than witnessing it- even within a show. Imagine if after this we had the cast having conflicting view-points of who was right and wrong, or different interpretations.

Not to mention seeing Salem give charismatic speeches would help sell that she could twist humanity around her little finger and get anyone on her side. In fact, since we know we get scenes with Emerald and Salem later, imagine if we cut between her story to Emerald, and the true vision from Djinn.

But most of all, I'm really shocked how ambivalent the gods are. Ignoring Salem's motives, I get wanting to defy or kill gods if this is how they act when challenged.

The only reason Salem would have to find the artifacts is to stop the gods coming back (either destroy them or absorb their power or some shit).

If she's just gathering them (along with maiden powers that act as the key, maybe?)- why? Just leave them to rot where they are locked up. If you find out anyone is gathering artifacts (which all you'd need is a spy outside their hidey-holes or keeping an eye on the maidens) kill them then toss the thing to the bottom of the ocean or into orbit. Finding where something is hidden (even after Ozpin has moved it) is much easier than trying to take it out of that place. Salem wins by keeping Ozpin at a stalemate or constantly hiding the artifacts and she can keep whispering in the ears of world governments. The same applies if she wants to destroy them- keeping them hidden away and unknown stops anyone using them.

If she wants them so she can better rule over humanity- why? The grim do more than a good enough job to keep mortals in line, and a few disasters like the Vytal Festival should bring humanity enough to the brink to beg for any savior. She doesn't need more power, and trying to gather that power risks the gods coming back.

I'm hoping she doesn't want to kill the gods, because the strongest force we've seen is the maidens and their magic- the same thing the gods didn't care about before. And it's not like the Grim hurt the light god and something else special hurts the dark god- both are shown to be almighty. Maidens, Artifacts, Grim, Dust, Silver Eyes- Nothing should be able to kill them.

If she wants to repopulate the world with magic humans- she needs Ozpin. Falling shy of kidnapping him and tying him to a bed and trying to wipe out the magic-less humans (as outlined above)- she can't. Which means one of the prior motives must be it.

Ladies and gentlemen- our main villain's plan (world domination, deiticide, or genocide and replacement) doesn't work unless we get an asspull that can kill god, or she's being dumb. And she can't die, so we can't stop her aside from a heel turn.

No one could have made this make sense without some major re-writes.

>>36864

I don't know how it could be a holdover when the gods explicitily said they wiped out humanity.

>>36867

Sorry, but one more post rather than slamming the door on what I thought.

I wonder if they should have saved this for the end of the season. Like the gang argues and makes temporary truces as they snatch the artifact back and forth. Maybe Dee and Dudley survived and overhear, and they try to snatch the relic, etc. Then we get to Atlas/that outpost, they ask the big question, and we get this episode (plus a more detailed fight between Ozpin and Salem for the finale).

Or maybe I'm just fan-fic writing so we can have a scene where Jaune asks in afterwards, asks if everyone is OK, and the whole gang just slowly turns to him shell-shocked.

After all, when this scene happens given past events makes sense. I am curious to see who will have millions more questions, and who is gonna try kicking Ozpin's teeth in even if he is in the body of a child.

I was hasty with what I said at the end of my last post.

Does Salem's plan (that we know of) make sense (for what we assume her plan is)?

Could megalomania and other ego-centric psychologies would legitimize going to the ends of the earth and eradicating anything that could stop her?

>>36867

She wants humanity to suffer judgement. Summoning the relics bring forth the Gods, and humanity isn't united, or revering them.

>>36868

GoD, GoL accepted GoD's call. They are different, they judge differently.

>>36872

Right I just said "the gods" because they both went along with it and I didn't think the distinction was important for the point of the post.

>>36868

Neither do I. Since this is a world made by literal gods where magic and magical creatures exist, I suppose it isn't too far a stretch to say that there is something inherent in the humans of RWBY that gives them special powers for no real reason other than that it's just a biological function.

>>36869

OK, that sells me a hell of a lot more on the idea. Which the show did a better job of it.

From the looks of it, Ozpin asked the questions every time. And probably slowly learned what to ask over thousands of years. IMO the last question we saw was the last question asked.

>>36870

<But yet somehow, the world still remains and humanity, despite being cleaned off from Remnant, repopulated themselves.

> Huh? Am I missing something here, because this makes no sense.

You ain't the only one. If the gods had the Greek angle like the prior post said, you could have had both gods being dicks behind the others back (light leaving some humans alive/protecting them, while dark left his grim portal around). Just like Ozpin/Salem couldn't resist interfering, neither could they. It'sLikePoetry.PNG

> Although this is cool, I can't wait for the """plot""" of the show to change once again, since soon we shall be on a quest to bring back the godly brothers, because why not?

In fact, we still don't really know why Ozpin is gathering them. If he does, humanity is wiped out (in its current state). Why not attempt world peace THEN get the artifacts? The second he got his hands on the lamp he should have done something to stop Salem getting it (again, just like she has no reason to wield them).

In fact I just realized- Salem doesn't have her magic. No one does except Ozpin who will die if he does. She just has the powers of the dark god/grim. Which is still shit hot, but Ozpin still has a little bit. Yeet those fucking artifacts into the moon. Once humanity has peace, they can go up there and get them back (working together knowing they could get those blessings must make them build a decent NASA not reliant on Dust or make Dust work in space). Hopefully somehow stopping Salem during the world peace bit. But if she has magic you can't, but if she doesn't it's easier?

I have more questions. I love it and hate it.

>>36874

>Semblance and Aura were needed to tap into the gods' magical source; now that they are gone, Semblance and Aura are their own functions, but not considered magic.

>>36873

It's because they see and judge things differently. One creates, one destroys. Both create life, and lead death. They aren't omniscient or fateless, and are clear this world is remnant of a former. They are still learning, just like humanity learns.

Ying and yang, not absolute but ever changing.

>>36869

>>36875

* Wish the show did a better job of it.

>>36878

Absolutely. But Monty's dead. All we have this awfully versed story.

I noted GoD is the West Dragon of death and torment, while GoL is the East Dragon of life and vitality, symbolism.

Like in our world:^)

interesting to point out:

>Ozma asked Djinn "How do I destroy Salem?"

>She answers "You can't."

>How do *I* destroy Salem?

>*YOU* can't.

>>36877

what the fuck rant are you on about?

The post was about the question of where the new humanity came from since one of them explicitly killed every human but Salem.

Probably the second generation of humanity appeared because of one of the shards of the moon landing on Earth (or landing precisely in GoD's creation pool). The first episode of RWBY did say something about man being borne from dust.

>>36879

As much as I'm scratching my head this episode, I do think the shows has improved leaps and bounds this season. I'm entertained, and I'm asking about plot holes less. The only reason I'm asking more about these ones is the build up we've had to them.

>>36881

I was gonna say, but I think "find someone who can XYZ" would count. I know Djinn can be pedantic though.

I wonder if silver eyes are something the GoL created, or sprang up with the new humans. My money is on that beating Salem, with the other characters still able to "help".

>>36883

It works either metaphorically (a survivor stands out of the rubble), or literally (GoL pool + big rocks with magic crystal in it = life just like the gods made??)

>>36885

>It works either metaphorically (a survivor stands out of the rubble), or literally (GoL pool + big rocks with magic crystal in it = life just like the gods made??)

Since darkness god smashed the moon on the way out, it might be that he purposely sent some of it back toward the creation pool in order to create humanity. So Dust could be the moon-bits in general (which is why Dust Magic is a thing, since Magic is Darkness's gift), and the moon-bit that landed in creation-pool has both Darkness and Light, thus giving us humans.

>RWBY Volume 6 Chapter 3: The Lost Fable Of Stupid

So far I am actually intrigued by this season's offerings, but I do feel that once we think about it, the cracks will slowly surface. I do feel that RT is trying to make Ozpin Sympathetic and have RWBY all "Aww it okay, we forgive you let's save the world. Ganbatte ne!"… but from the choices he made in the story, he doesn't seem to be interested with being a good leader or being for humanity rather just to stop his ex-wife from fucking shit up. Also, the kids they got are basically the Maidens magic. Better than the folktale shit we got… but…

>>36881

>>36885

Remember, in folklore Genies are tricky people. You gotta have to be precise in your wording to get your wish… or in the RWBYverse case, get the answer you're looking for. From the wording you described it seems that they are looking for a "Chosen One" ideal, as Ozpin cant defeat Salem… but other people CAN.

Basically from the looks of how the folklore is going, RWBY will be the chosen ones. I don't know HOW they will put it in the series… but from the looks of Miles and Kerrys writing. Either RWBY will get the Maidens' powers, or them represent the humanity doing the power of teamwork and friendship and shit.

>>36888

I wanna say he nitpicking, but yeah the emotional investment of Salem doing things for the D, her slow hatred for Humanity, and Ozma's feelings towards Salem and humanity would have worked better if we get them to be in a relationship and not be just summarized in 2 minutes. That would have been spawned better with a two-parter WoR special mid-season 5 and 6.

>>36889

> I don't know HOW they will put it in the series

Calling it now: Salem fell into the grimm pool, ergo, she is now a grimm.

Ruby has silver eyes. Silver eyes kill grimm instantly.

>>36890

Mary Sue the fuck out of Ruby. BRILLIANT!

>>36887

The relics came first before the daughters.

We have yet to confirm the daughters are/were the maidens.

>>36888

Stopped watching in 1minute43seconds: The question Rose asked "What is Ozpin hiding from us?"

A Djinn will answer and focus on that, nothing else. If I were a Djinn, I'd say less than what she expose, it's almost generous.

>>36890

*Mostly Grimm.

>You will never commit genocide against your own people by proxy

>ozpin believes in muh gods

>salem hates gods xddd

>salem bred the maidens

LOL?

>>36893

>Stopped watching in 1minute43seconds

Good call. Between his thick accent and his adoration for naruto, that guy is absolutely unwatchable.

>>36890

Since Grim are a creation of the GoD, I wonder if Silver Eyes are a product of the GoL, or even both of them once the Grim grew out of control/under Cinder.

Or it could entirely be dust/secondary humans. Then we'd have Salem with possibly maiden powers/relics (a being born from the powers of gods/magic) vs. RWBY (power of teamwork, technology, semblences and aura). Old and worship vs. new and freewill. You can only be free if you work together, divided your easier to control by other forces, etc. etc.

>>36893

>We have yet to confirm the daughters are/were the maidens

They're in vaguely seasonal colors, they have magic, and there are four of them. C'mon now. Although this is Miles & Kerry so who knows.

>>36896

> I wonder if Silver Eyes are a product of the GoL

I was thinking that too, especially since GoL wiped out all grimm around him in the exact same fashion as ruby did in S3 (big white explosion). It's too similar to be coincidence.

>>36857

Man the music is really obnixious. Thats certainly something I wish they had been more influenced by anime

>>36855

It didn't really feel like this until the fight at the end.

>>36857

> Y'all know that Ozma's a woman's name, right? Ozma was the queen of Oz.

> So, Oz is cursed for going after princess pussy?

> Salem did nothing wrong. Seriously, she was a cunt, but it was to be expected: the man that she had no reason to love died (she literally forms an emotional attachment to the first non-relative cock she meets in her life).

>>36858

> The gods are douchebags. And somehow, they convince themselves that it's her fault.

>>36859

> Immortality is such a douche punishment.

> I like the destruction animation, but it would have been better if people weren't static.

> I'm guessing that he destroyed magic when he killed all those people.

< Salem takes meteor to the face.

>>36860

> I had nothing to do with the destruction of everything, I swear.

> GoL is a douche god who is not worthy of worship. GoD is only worthy of fear.

> Here are McGuffins so that I can be an even bigger douche later!

I realize that this probably has to do with RT's view on religion, or maybe it's an Oriental thing, but the GoL being such a douche (to my Western eyes) makes Oz look like an incredible tool for doing his bidding. Ozpin is TOTALLY doing something wrong.

>>36862

> Oz must be retarded from how long it took him to realize that Salem was batshit crazy.

> I'm going to guess that Oz is doing sketchy magical shit to keeps his daughters' magic in the world. It doesn't make sense for them to have inherited their father's reincarnation immortality, unless there are tons of Oz's other children running around Remnant.

Actually, I think this is funny: the maidens really are pointless, it's just a thousand year's-old custody battle.

< That fucking fight is so suck.

>>36881

>>36889

Salem's curse is immortality, until she learns the importance of life and death. Ozpin can't teach her that, because he represents something she wanted to keep alive.

My guess is that some kind of Noble Sacrifice BS from team RWBY will teach her the importance of Life and Death and BAM! she dies of plot convenience, I mean the curse is lifted!

>>36903

"We are aware of the criticism, and we ensure there's nothing wrong with the story and how pastly it's paced."

Salem's "Who defeated you?" question is already wrong. A strategists ask "how they were defeated", and that general was answering correctly: "The forces were split."

The technicality was "information leak." It was Blake's interception, discovery, and immediate action that conquered Cinder's plan. Her hastiness, and Salem's oversight.

Hazel is going to say Ozpin, since that's what he focused on, not Blake's reinforcement. If he says "the Belladonna family" I'd be surprised, especially how he got the intel.

Why is the music so distracting?

It was especially bad in the Volume 6 premiere episode.

It's one of those things that when you notice it, you can't, not, notice it.

Changing multiple times a scene doesn't really do anything anyway. Oh wow, the emotion or circumstances of the scene changed slightly, better play a different song now.

The music choices are at least appropriate.

V6E4: https://rtv3-video.roosterteeth.com/store/698d5f9e154726d374f33611366fb728-04900d46/ts/1542417834_index.m3u8

>>36910

>How did humanity return

Well it's because the moon. The broken moon was just a reminder how the previous humanity is destroyed by GoD.

Where's the link and webm or mp4? Did the site crash again?

>>36911

>>36913

They updated to include different languages it seems:

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If I go by the logic

https://rtv3-video.roosterteeth.com/store/f6785b63-hls_480p-store-777dcdfb41acc2cebc48a69a94ab4460.m3u8 is the 480p video stream

I'm getting Access Denied. Do you need to return a cookie now?

>>36914

>>36915

>keep getting errors

FFFFFFFFFFFFF-

So, 10minute episode of fake drama, and perhaps Salem or Cinder catches up to the group and succeeds in capturing Qrow while attempting catch Ruby.

Qrow punching Ozpin doesn't make sense even if he never had a plan to begin with, when he clearly always did: deterrence and peace with the nations by isolating the relics. The goal never was "defeat Salem," Ozma made that his goal. GoL clearly said to unite the relics when mankind was ready for judgment day, and they clearly aren't.

It's here the writing is showing it's flaws. Instead of Salem having a hissy fit that Ozpin is back so soon, and not within her plans, she should have been addressing how they need to now get the other relics not in Atlas since that side project is as easy as re-usurping James Ironwood's robot army. Two for the price of one project already won.

I think Raven and Taiyang will tag and rescue the other relics now that Raven is a maiden.

Salem's plan may horrible backfire if all schools are destroyed and are united against Salem for collecting the relics at so much damage.

>>36919

Raven isn't the person to sit around and do nothing. She was building an Army, against both Salem and Ozpin. Fled to Taiyang after consenting both Yang's words and ethos.

Recall why both Raven and Rose fell in love with Taiying, we saw exactly that when Yang was training with him: he's like Jean, a pillar to rely on, in the good and the bad.

Now with Raven, foremost lovers, they both know what's really important. If they rebuild Vale, I'd be surprised. Raven, the new headmaster of Vale. Though I think Glynda Goodwitch completely earned that title.

*Summer

I'd be funny if Ruby is the not only a Light Guardian, but a maiden as well. Summer is time for harvest.

Nvm, Qrow specifically narrated he's been rebuilding Haven and now went with the kids to chaperone. So yeah: what do Raven, wanting independence from godly wars, and Taiyang wanting peace have in common? Fucking each day and night isn't it.

Damn last post

https://twitter.com/montyoum/status/557947821676969984

Link for y'all- episode 4.

https://www13.kickassanime.io/anime/rwby-volume-6-769679/episode-04-748135

> Honestly shocked not one of them just started kicking his ass out of anger. Still feel like they had a million questions. Not to mention Yang's first question makes no sense- they already know Leo was not the first traitor. He didn't trust them (either to not turn, not to go rogue like Raven, or not submit to torture).

> And this is why I shouldn't type while watching. But they also did it in the worst way possible (anime speed lines and exaggerated reactions) rather than a more realistic way to add to the weight. Also horrible phrasing by Oscar (as oppose to "I can't sense/feel him anymore")

> If this old girl isn't involved in the myth, I think she's taking this far too well.

> Really surprised Emerald still has so much respect for Cinder. She seemed less and less keen as time went on. I'd expect her to be more withdrawn now she's effectively stuck working for Salem. Very minor gripe tho.

> And our first major continuity error - why is scorpion-boy in the room before them? We know he must have entered first- but why? Last we checked he's having fun on the landing pad with no real need to run ahead.

> Fucking hell, scorpy is lucky to not be dead.

> Salem's professional VA work really does shine through.

> Writers really must have heard complaints about Ruby not being a leader, she's been all business nearly all the time. Not complaining, glad she takes shit seriously when shit gets serious. Though I do wonder if it'll become a bit of a whiplash later on.

> Bit anti-climactic. Needed to end with something else.

Not bad. Good bits, bad bits, and some dumb bits rearing their ugly head.

Quick question- are the windows in Salem's HQ the same as the windows of her + Ozma's castle in the flashback?

>>36918

I agree on the issues with why Qrow is mad about Ozpin's plan, and Salem's plan overall/reaction. It's not even that hard a sell on the former if you emphasize Qrow feeling uniting people in peace is impossible, and playing keep-away with Salem will just delay the inevitable.

>>36904

Having seen the whole thing, I actually kind of get why the writers did it. Salem expects the people she uses to be able to carry out their task, and she wouldn't assign them something that even the most unexpected circumstances couldn't derail- i.e. they can be sneaky or brutish enough to still get it. So that only leaves one of them screwing up.

Problem is, none of them are convincing as a one-man-army (even Hazel) or sneaky enough to avoid a crowd. Plus if she's boarder-line omnipotent/3D chessmaster enough to expect their failure to be impossible, then how could she not see Cinder losing her temper and being the one to be blamed?

You can't sell someone as being a genius/totally understands human nature and behavior/omnipotent when she didn't for see a screw up. A little ego or limitation doesn't hurt. Her being shocked the Faunus united, but then knowing untrained rubes would not be enough would have been a fine reason for her to demand blame.

>>36925

I disagree: Salem preaches how "mankind's hearts are easily swayed" and both the plans for Vale and Vacuo were predicated on people failing each other. In fact, destroying the goal of the white fang was crucial to her goal: she knows Cinder will fault, esp. sway.

The flaw was intel leak. That was an oversight in Salem's plan, not Cinder's. Cinder's order as fall maiden was to acquire the relic, nothing more. It was Tyrian's job to eradicate Ruby[&Qrow]. At this very point, Salem should have seen a new probability to her goal. Cinder decided to do a two for one, which would have worked if not for Blake's reinforcement:

Which again Hazel forgot to mention

He took responsibility as if it mattered since he isn't a maiden to be able to acquire the relic.

Salem blaming everything on Cinder, even as pathos discipline is stupid.

The writers fucked up, even if again the crux is hubris.

>>36926

You're fine, I decided to read other shit and not waste my bandwidth reencoding. I knew you'd upload.

If Salem can't die anyway why doesn't she go and kill high profile characters like Qrow or Ruby herself. It's not like they're a threat against an immortal being. If salem had shown up in the V5 ending battle things would have gone different.

In fact, I think I can write you the whole story more simply:

Salem required intelligence from within the Cross Continental Transmit System to find out where the relics lie.

Arthur Watts provided exactly that: a virus to infiltrate their systems, and compromise scrolls across the entire planet[1]. James cited so to Qrow when attempting to escort the fall maiden[2]. Why was the fall maiden being escorted to Vale, who knows. We know Salem requires 1 maiden, so Cinder can become one to enter the realms of the relics.

With a maiden now in hand, acquiring the compromised Relic of Knowledge should have been a piece of cake, IF there wasn't interference. Cinder in this case excelled in dynamically adapting her plans accounting for new players, bringing Adam along with his Crew to bomb Haven Academy[3].

Why would Salem leave her only maiden [bishop] alone to suffer, when she needs Cinder FOR ANY RELIC?

I'm telling you all the pathos training was already done![4]

In writing, this makes no sense, Salem knows EVERYONE HAS FLAWS, EXCEPT HER! Why would she assume Cinder wouldn't fail, EVEN AFTER SHE FAILED TO GATHER OZPIN'S RELIC?!!?

>>36930

I think she traded her magic to be able to control Grimm instead. She's changed even more than the first time she went to GoD's pool of destruction.

[1]https://invidio.us/watch?v=mj3jfqPwJEk&t=6m24s

https://invidio.us/watch?v=0-f-mGvOba8&t=10m11s

[2]https://invidio.us/watch?v=vCO2mw4SlDM&t=11m50s

[3]https://invidio.us/watch?v=BrlaeR8dFbw&t=5m25s

[4]https://invidio.us/watch?v=IZKpkzPIRlw&t=3m37s

More Salem pathological training with Cinder:

https://invidio.us/watch?v=VkBEzyHcbAU&t=15m25s

Looking for the part she admits she was looking for Ozpin's relic.

If [4]https://invidio.us/watch?v=IZKpkzPIRlw&t=3m37s is true

Now I don't understand why she also need the spring maiden specifically, unless each specific maiden is needed for each relic.

>>36926

< sorry for being late

Don't apologize for giving charity.

> I don't understand Qrow's anger here. Everyone should just be too shocked by what they've seen and that Ozpin has NO plan other than keep the relics apart so that the world doesn't end. At least he also admits that the gods are douchebags and them coming back is a bad thing.

> They should have beat Oscar up when Ozpin peaced out, though, out of frustration.

> I don't know who this old lady is, and she annoys the shit out of me, but I understand that the narrative requires her. They needed a neutral third party so that the party doesn't tie Oscar to a tree and leave him there.

> "Don't lie to him, Ruby." –Qrow

>>36928

> Is Salem on that other continent that is uninhabited? The dragon-shaped one? Is that were the pool of evil is that should totally be evidence to humanity that gods exist?

> It looks like Hazel understands that now that Cinder is gone, Emerald and Mercury have no reason to stay.

> Tyrion: Salem's lapdog that shows that she's crazy evil and not cold and calculating. That rape face, though.

> They say that Salem is cold and calculating, trying to end the world by calling back "gods" so that she can wipe her period on them, but she comes across as an 80's Saturday morning cartoon villain.

> No seriously, how the fuck does she know that Cinder is still alive?

< "I'm merely curious." Shouldn't that asshat have been able to deflect it from a question of her powers (her competence) to a question about her powers?

>>36928

> Still not coming across as super charismatic.

> MARTHA?!? MARTHA!?! WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!

> I'm thinking that Hazel, Emerald, and Mercury are going to split, join Cinder, and start collecting the relics in the vain hope that one of them can kill Salem. It's not that they want to kill Salem, but now that they've left they HAVE to kill Salem, or always be looking behind their backs.

>>36930

Qrow's answer to your question:

https://invidio.us/watch?v=g91qG3qTaXE&t=14m

Literary the next chapter:

https://invidio.us/watch?v=y4tK9QQ1mwo&t=1m29s

All the pathos training and the relic question

Ozpin having his falling out with RWBY and Qrow over his flashback and how Salem can't be killed by mortal means is weak writing. Obvious melodrama to force a conflict.

RWBY already signed onto a war against an endless horde of monsters that can wipe out towns. They have no signs that they can be forever destroyed. For THAT to be the breaking point and not Ozpin having already knowingly put civilians at risk is weak.

It's also silly how they treat to make the melodrama something that impacts the team when really only Yang should be seriously angry about it instead of just let down like Ruby is. Weiss and Blake shouldn't care that much since they don't know Ozpin, he has no connections with their families (that they know of, anyway), and haven't bonded with him like Ruby has.

The worst part of this is how this'll be settled. Either Ozpin checks out and RWBY asspulls some way to forever stop Salem or Ruby somehow gets Ozpin to stick around and say sorry. Either they force a victory after what would be a point of failure or the status quo stays.

Ok, I was wrong:

https://invidio.us/watch?v=thTOWKiNnx4&t=10m6s

A specific maiden for each relic.

Yep, Salem's Hubris:

https://invidio.us/watch?v=x0c_qab80NE&t=3m33s

Even Leonardo was warning Salem of Qrow's Presence, and his methodology: hasty too.

Where did I watch that question then?!?

Wow, even as far back Salem screwed herself:

https://invidio.us/watch?v=QGxeUUR7E2Q&t=16m

So on this chapter Ozpin explains his magic is finite, and created the maidens:

https://invidio.us/watch?v=vi8y8PxW5h4&t=8m9s

Which again proves we know nothing about the daughters.

Salem may have also used her magic.

HOLY SHIT, I WAS WRONG, HAZEL KNEW, AND HE FORGOT TO MENTION BLAKE WAS THE CAUSE:

https://invidio.us/watch?v=5A5hRP1Hkbg&t=4m36s

Now I see why Salem blamed Cinder:

https://invidio.us/watch?v=CWAX-tiepMo&t=10m44s

It's ok to be wrong three times.

The only somewhat interesting angle they can take this "REEE OZPIN DIDN'T TELL US SALEM'S UNKILLABLE" melodrama is one where Ozpin decides that what RWBY did is the last straw. That he's fed up with the betrayal, the ingratitude, the overall ugliness in human. He's going to use everything he has at his disposal to acquire the relics so that he can summon the gods back for them to smite Salem and end humanity if they see fit. He can end his task at last, and if humanity dies then so be it. Perhaps as he fades out he wonders what he even helped such a disappointing kind for.

>>36944

Ozpin is probably just taking a break so we can get some Ozcar screentime. He'll be back.

>>36945

The point is that for this subplot to not be a big waste of time it needs to change the status quo. Having Team RWBY talk to Ozpin and say sorry to him (or vice-versa) is weak since it really changes nothing. Having Ozpin sign-out and RWBY find a way to stop Salem without Ozpin or the gods just makes both the wizard and gods look pathetic. At least in my "Ozpin tries to bring about the apocalypse" SOMETHING changed from this subplot we're being subjected to now.

>>36946

>RWBY find a way to stop Salem without Ozpin or the gods just makes both the wizard and gods look pathetic.

My guess is that the wording of the god's curse is important, and that RWBY will find a way to stop Salem by showing her the importance of death to balance life. Then she dies, as her curse is lifted. That is, they DO absolutely nothing to stop Salem: she dies because she learns something from their struggle.

Other than that, this is just worthless melodrama.

And I sincerely hope that that final confrontation involves Cinder, Emerald, and Mercury on their own side, trying to kill Salem as well.

Also, for Ozpin to have fought for so long with no obvious reward expected yet run away like a bitch when a bunch of teenage girls and a manbaby whine at him for something that really changes nothing about what they were doing is bad writing. He could have just shot back "If it wasn't for me humanity would be Salem's plaything and Qrow would just be a garbage bandit like his cowardly sister." Rubbed RWBY's noses in how they were acting how they were expected to act. Instead, he bitched out.

>>36948

because ozpin is a faggot and has no actual motivations other than "the gods told me so"

>>36949

In his first life as Ozma it wasn't such. In his soyboy life neither.

>because ozpin is a faggot

All of RWBY besides Ruby herself (who's at least trying to learn how to succeed at their mission) are no more bright. Qrow's a grown man who was already one of Ozpin's co-conspirators and so should have considered the Grimm's (who have yet to be destroyed by man) leader Salem can't be killed by human means. Which bounces back onto the "they already signed up onto an endless war against the Grimm, learning Salem can't be killed by mortals changing just about nothing" point.

>has no actual motivations other than "the gods told me so"

Doesn't change what was said. Even so, he should have not taken what RWBY and Qrow were whining at him for seriously. The only believable option he has now is to just write the lot of them off as failures and steal the relic at night so he can start anew. He obviously can't trust them anymore. So of course that won't happen.

>>36937

Right. With "I've made more mistakes than anyone alive" and him being a pseudo-god, you'd have thought he would be responsible for major shit down the line (the shit treatment of Faunus, Atlas being a super-power, his involvement in the great war and the "war against individuality"). While he shouldn't be directly involved with everything, the butterfly effect of what he and Salem did should have been shown. The flashback may have been 2 episodes instead of one then.

>>36946

Execution is more key than anything. You can sell the gang trying to unite people, and showing how working together and putting aside differences can rival darkness, magic, and gods (the negative parts of humanity, the unknown, and the understanding you have of the world).

>>36953

>Right. With "I've made more mistakes than anyone alive" and him being a pseudo-god, you'd have thought he would be responsible for major shit down the line

It's underwhelming how for all the hype in the fandom over Ozpin is so shady THAT's the big secret. It comes off as they were desperate to find something to suit the hints that Ozpin was more than what he seemed as a friendly old magic man and throw a bone to the fans saying he'd turn-out to be a villain but wouldn't have him doing something TOO malicious or heinous since they want him to stick with Ruby's posse.

>the shit treatment of Faunus

Actually, I see him backing the White Fang. If not helping found it then secretly aiding Sienna Kahn in her rise to power as a way to bring harmony between faunus and humans. Obviously this goes badwrong but it'd fit with the "Ozpin as a honestly well-meaning man who still makes mistakes or who's plans go awry."

>Atlas being a super-power

I can also see him through Ironwood working with Jacques to seize the SDC for their Ozluminati's goals.

>his involvement in the great war and the "war against individuality"

Him being at odds with "individuality" doesn't really suit his actions even back when he was a headmaster.

>While he shouldn't be directly involved with everything, the butterfly effect of what he and Salem did should have been shown. The flashback may have been 2 episodes instead of one then.

That's a strong point. We're obviously supposed to see Salem as some "tragic monster" here, except she's too quick to jump straight into roping her fellow humans into a war on the gods, try to rule them as gods with Ozpin, and talk about replacing them with her Master Race to be buyable as one.

>Execution is more key than anything. You can sell the gang trying to unite people, and showing how working together and putting aside differences can rival darkness, magic, and gods (the negative parts of humanity, the unknown, and the understanding you have of the world).

That bounces back again onto the problem of "How did Ozpin not try this?" They wrote themselves into a corner by introducing Salem's invulnerability among her otherwise effective godhood, establishing Ozpin has failed to kill or even just stop her from acting for centuries, and yet still having set RWBY to be the ones to settle this big shadow war. If they have RWBY cut ties with Ozpin yet still succeed that just makes him an embarrassment.

>>36952

>believe in someone and they give you a purpose

>tricked this whole time and now no longer know what you were fighting for

>qrow is a retard

yeah nah, ozpin is a faggot that does not believe in freedom and war

>>36948

> Qrow would just be a garbage bandit like his cowardly sister

This show doesn't have the balls to say something like that.

>>36954

>Actually, I see him backing the White Fang. If not helping found it then secretly aiding Sienna Kahn in her rise to power

Or, he could have been a background benefactor to Ghira, and Sienna was that plan going to shit. Ghira seems to be more ideologically aligned to Oz than Sienna, and it would explain how a terrorist was admitted to Beacon: Oz admitted Blake from sentimentality over his old friend Ghira.

>>36959

>believe in someone and they give you a purpose

Yeah. Since Qrow is now something than just a edgy bandit shaking down townsfolk.

>tricked this whole time and now no longer know what you were fighting for

He should already asked if they were going to kill the Grimm/Salem off forever if doing so was that important to him fighting under Ozpin. Nothing says he did, nothing says this was ever important before this Volume brought it up. For him to serve under Ozpin as one of his agents for so long (he already knows well about Ozpin's plans like with the Maidens) yet now he suddenly starts pulling a Zero is silly when he learns the leader of the endless army of monsters who have been threatening man for centuries can't be killed by mortal means.

>yeah nah, ozpin is a faggot that does not believe in freedom and war

His backstory when combined with his tactics shows he hardly lords over the planet he has watch over in the present day. He gives plenty of leeway to others in their choices.

The situation is melodrama. That's it.

>>36960

>This show doesn't have the balls to say something like that.

Obviously. We're going to Ruby or even Jaune just yell at him to come out of his mage shell since they still need him and he says sorry for being so mean. They're going with Ozpin as now not having the fortitude to stand by his decisions or even just point that for all his mistakes, it was thanks to his efforts RWBY and Co. are in a safe enough society to do so.

>Or, he could have been a background benefactor to Ghira, and Sienna was that plan going to shit. Ghira seems to be more ideologically aligned to Oz than Sienna, and it would explain how a terrorist was admitted to Beacon: Oz admitted Blake from sentimentality over his old friend Ghira.

The idea would be that he sees the faunus' potential as attack dogs AND that since his goal requires him to keep the world in "harmony" yet humans continue to be meanies to faunus he'd decide that it's time to take hardcore measures. He'd know from his many many years the ugliness in human nature and that to get a man's respect in many cases you need to bare your fangs. So he backs Sienna since he sees her as the strongwoman the White Fang/faunus need and that once they become stable she can be brought aboard.

Adam rising ruined that and so he wrote off the WF as a failure. He can still be friends with Ghira but secretly figure that his methods won't work for what he needs (militarize the faunus enough to get humans to treat with them and also to counter Salem).

>>36959

>ozpin is a faggot that does not believe in freedom and war

But in his second life he not only joined armies, he orchestrated one with Salem!

These villain scenes are full of unintentional comedy

>>36964

RWBY has always had meh to bad villains.

>>36966

>Yang's dialogue here is about as stilted as when she was mad about Ozpin "turning" Qrow and Raven into birds. Her anger here is just as ridiculous.

>Qrow's reaction is so melodramatic it borders on farcical. Way to undercut what little drama there was by doing that shot of Oscar's face as he gets punched.

It would have been funny stupid if it was Yang who punched Oscar in the Face ala her Volume 5 punch with the bandit. Muh Pinball Patriarchy.

>And after everything they've just learned Ruby's question qualifies her for some sort of "Maximum Stupid" award. How does one even begin to make sense of what she & the rest of the group have just learned and even form that question in her mind?

>Should any of them even be speaking now?

Somehow learning about the ENTIRE history of the first civilization, you'd think that they'd have a LOT more questions than "How can we beat Salem?"

>And where did Jinn go? It just returned to the lamp without tempting them to waste another question?

Ruby will either waste it on her Silver Eyes (either that or Maria will infodump her) or some dumb question that is more about herself than it is the big picture.

>>36966

>Yang's dialogue here is about as stilted as when she was mad about Ozpin "turning" Qrow and Raven into birds. Her anger here is just as ridiculous.

Indeed. They just seemed to take Jaune's trait of distrusting Ozpin and just dumped it on Yang. It's gotten to the point where anons 4chan's RWBYg are suggesting she's join Salem or at least become her mother since she's such a rotten girl.

>>This whole scene is farcical when you remember that they've just learned the secret history of their world. Not just through telling, they've actually seen it for themselves. They should really still be processing things and each coming to grips with these revelations in their own time.

That leaps onto the problem this melodrama is poorly placed.

>That point I made before the chapter came out still stands. Ozpin never told any of them they were going off to fight or defeat Salem.

He did talk of "beating" Salem though. Granted, that doesn't mean "kill her." That could mean prevent her from succeeding.

>Qrow should have died in V4, I knew they'd screw him up. I'd almost believe his attitude if it was resentment for Oz covering up the deaths of the 30+ Huntsmen last volume to spare Lionheart's reputation. Because it just as easily could have been Qrow's life written off to cover up the actions of someone Ozpin saw as more valuable. But Qrow easily accepted that lie and maybe many others before.

Again, Qrow should have talked with Ozpin about killing Salem if doing so was that important to his service. He doesn't say anything about this being important before Volume 6. He should know that the Grimm (who Salem commands) have been around for a really long level of time with no end for them in sight. Their leader being unkillable by mortals should be no surprise.

>While I disagree with the lead up to it, I support Ozpin's decision to withdraw if only because RWBY & Qrow are being irrational.

As I already said, the only way this subplot will lead to anything remotely interesting is if Ozpin cuts his ties with RWBY and focuses on reuniting the relics so that he can summon the gods back. It not only has Ozpin taking the initiative but has RWBY learn to succeed without him.

>>36976

>He did talk of "beating" Salem though. Granted, that doesn't mean "kill her." That could mean prevent her from succeeding.

Salem is like a hurricane: you beat her by hunkering down, letting her blow over, and if your house is standing the next day, you've won.

> As I already said, the only way this subplot will lead to anything remotely interesting is if Ozpin cuts his ties with RWBY and focuses on reuniting the relics so that he can summon the gods back. It not only has Ozpin taking the initiative but has RWBY learn to succeed without him.

Here's my BS for a way forward:

Ozpin takes off to collect the relics. Maybe Oscar decides that if he summons the Gods, then he will be free from Ozpin.

Emerald, Mercury, and Hazel run from Salem, because she's too batshit crazy (she's starting to make The Major from Hellsing look reasonable). They start to collect the relics in the hope that they can kill Salem (because no one leaves the family… alive).

Emerald, Mercury, and Hazel join up with Cinder and, improbably, Neo.

Cinder, Emerald, Mercury, Hazel, and Neo run into and capture Ozpin/Oscar.

Cinder etc follow RWBY to Atlas, where they steal the Lantern and the Staff.

Everybody rushes to Shade to get the final McGuffin…

Not sure how to end it.

>>36977

>Salem is like a hurricane: you beat her by hunkering down, letting her blow over, and if your house is standing the next day, you've won.

Maybe. I was more thinking just getting all the relics and putting them where she can't get them.

>Ozpin takes off to collect the relics. Maybe Oscar decides that if he summons the Gods, then he will be free from Ozpin.

Remember that Ozpin SHOULD have other loyal henchmen like Glynda for him to rally in his quest to achieve apocalypse even with Qrow's betrayal so he wouldn't go it alone for so long. Obviously he wouldn't mention the "end the world part" to any of them.

Fatman Falling Volume 5 review.

I posted this to the volume 5 thread, but I don't think it bumped due to the post limit.

But I guess you'd be grateful for it pushing the spam off the front page.

>>36963

that's more of a war to end wars, not endless wars like salem's byproduct by giving humanity freedom to not play by the god's rules

>>36981

>not endless wars

>endless wars makes you successful

If that were the case, Africa would be paradise by now.

>giving humanity freedom to not play by the god's rules

>pretending last time Salem tried to "Defy the Gods" didn't get humanity wiped out

Salem's track record is meh to bad so I consider that solid ground to not let let do what she wants.

>>36980

Thanks, now I have something to keep me occupied for the next hour.

>>36983

He also sees how forced Yang's sudden hostility to Ozpin is. I don't know what made them think doing so was a good idea when they already had Jaune to play that role. Doubly when apparently the start of doubts after leaving Raven's home is Ozpin turning twins into birds (even though she lives in a world where there's both animal men and necromancers).

>>36975

>It would have been funny stupid if it was Yang who punched Oscar in the Face ala her Volume 5 punch with the bandit.

If she was written more like "manga Yang" who genuinely thought that Junior had to tell her what she wanted to know because she beat him up then that would work.

>Somehow learning about the ENTIRE history of the first civilization, you'd think that they'd have a LOT more questions than "How can we beat Salem?"

The characters are having inhuman reactions again. How can it get better when something like this slips past not only Kerry & Miles but the people they have reviewing their scripts?

>>36976

>Indeed. They just seemed to take Jaune's trait of distrusting Ozpin and just dumped it on Yang. It's gotten to the point where anons 4chan's RWBYg are suggesting she's join Salem or at least become her mother since she's such a rotten girl.

Kerry & Miles had Yang come right out and announce the "death" of her character last volume. By that I mean that they robbed her of what goals & motivation she may have had pre V5 and just made her will subordinate to Ruby's.

<From V5C8

<Yang: If Ruby sticks around, then I will too. If there's one thing I know about her, it's that she somehow always knows the right thing to do.

Though they've developed a parallel anger track with Jaune, Miles & Kerry are overplaying it to where Yang is coming off like a raging yeast infection. The only reason they're travelling with the relic they have is that they can't seal it away without the maiden. Since Yang is lying to them she's responsible in small part for their current dilemma. Her anger could be some strange attempt at covering her real feelings.

>Their leader being unkillable by mortals should be no surprise.

He believed in Ozpin's reincarnation so I'm at a loss to make sense of his reaction to all this. The story needs Qrow to be in a certain frame of mind and storytellers aren't doing the necessary work to get him there.

>>36978

>Maybe. I was more thinking just getting all the relics and putting them where she can't get them.

If Salem was spurring Ozpin to panic and gather the relics himself so that she could more easily accomplish her goals that might be something. But how do you make that a believable reaction on Ozpin's part? They've both lived countless lifetimes and should have an immunity to that kind of pressure. From the limited mortal vantage Ozpin & Salem's actions are frustrating, confusing, or even maddening. But what's it like from the perspective of a grand champion chess match played over the course of thousands of lifetimes?

>>36984

I would not be surprised if they straight up forgot about Jaune's hostility towards Qrow and Ozpin or decided that it was already resolved with that scene where they trained from last volume.

>>36985

>Kerry & Miles had Yang come right out and announce the "death" of her character last volume. By that I mean that they robbed her of what goals & motivation she may have had pre V5 and just made her will subordinate to Ruby's.

Yang asked Ozpin "What's wrong with you?" for giving her mother and uncle the ability to turn into birds even though she lives in a world with animal men and one of her teammates is a necromancer (Weiss with her summoning dead Grimm). Like what, is shapeshifting into animals some taboo "forbidden magic"? Does it tie into anti-faunus antics? I don't know and I doubt we'll get a solid addressing of that.

>He believed in Ozpin's reincarnation so I'm at a loss to make sense of his reaction to all this. The story needs Qrow to be in a certain frame of mind and storytellers aren't doing the necessary work to get him there.

If they really need to have Qrow fall-out with Ozpin then they should have started it with the cover up of Leo's treachery as said in >>36966 and then have it go full throttle once Ozpin revealed he put civilians at risk knowingly.

>If Salem was spurring Ozpin to panic and gather the relics himself so that she could more easily accomplish her goals that might be something. But how do you make that a believable reaction on Ozpin's part?

He's tired of his job and wants to get it over with so that he can go rest.

>>36985

>Kerry & Miles had Yang come right out and announce the "death" of her character last volume. By that I mean that they robbed her of what goals & motivation she may have had pre V5 and just made her will subordinate to Ruby's.

Hell, from the looks of Yang's choices, you'd wonder if Yang and Ruby were ever close as sisters. Her arc has already completed, and she basically conciders her mom dead to her… so all that's left is to be Blake's love interest. Dear god I hope not.

>>36987

If Raven was actually the chosen Spring Maiden by Ozpin (instead of murdering the weaker Maiden), and had to hide it all her life because of the insanity and burden her role has, MAAAAYBE I can understand Yang's Anger involving the lore she just received.

>>36988

>Yang and Ruby were ever close as sisters

it's funny, now that I think about it. In the show, Yang actually never really show love to Ruby. in fact, IIRC, the only proof we ever actually have of that is "Gold". also, the opening to Volume 3, Ruby tells her mother's grave that "She keeps Yang in check."

>>36988

>If Raven was actually the chosen Spring Maiden by Ozpin (instead of murdering the weaker Maiden), and had to hide it all her life because of the insanity and burden her role has, MAAAAYBE I can understand Yang's Anger involving the lore she just received.

Again, it comes off as the writers still wanting us to see Ozpin as a valiant, heroic figure for all mistakes he might make so they don't have him do anything TOO heinous or malicious once he's broken ties with Salem. Him talking Raven into becoming a Maiden with her suffering for it would make Yang and maybe Qrow's (if he wasn't told about Raven being the Maiden and how it was Ozpin's idea) attitude stronger. And would provide Yang more grounds to take what Raven says seriously.

>>36989

I'm just gonna say that Miles and Kerry are shit at writing genuine family relationships.

>>36991

>Yang put Ruby in danger as a child, which supposedly set off her protective instinct with Ruby

>Ruby says she keeps Yang in check

>Yang goes cold and shuns Ruby at the end of Volume 3

>She doesn't give a single fuck her little sister went off to half way across the world, with only a letter to Tai for warning

>Yang doesn't have any more deepening familial ties with Ruby

>She simply just becomes subservient to Ruby because she's got nothing left because poorly written mom plot.

>By looking at character developing scenes out of context and objectively, one could argue that Weiss (or Jaune) and Ruby are more siblings than Ruby and Yang. The same can also be said of Yang and Blake.

I mean, they are shit writers, granted. But it could've been simple enough to write in scene which shows her hugging Ruby or actually worrying about her.

>>36992

>>36991

Little of the overall plot would change if Yang wasn't a blood relative of Ruby. Such as having her be adopted by Taiyang as a favor to Qrow (who doesn't trust himself to raise a little girl even if she's family) after Raven dumped her kid on him (who in this RWBY isn't Taiyang's birth daughter).

Frankly, I wonder if Yang was supposed to be Ruby's sister by blood instead of adopted or even just a friend of her family in the earliest draft of what became RWBY.

https://rtv3-video.roosterteeth.com/store/168dac7e79eddcf2dde4f3fcbbf52bf4-d44f29fb/ts/1542849705_index.m3u8

It's Neo time

>>36995

>my girl Neo is back

>best fight for several volumes, they attack with what feels like actual personality here

>Cinder jobbing throughout the entire fight until she whips out maiden hax

>the abandoned mansion part gives me serious Resident Evil-vibes, but I also mean that in the JILL, THE MASTER OF LOCKPICKING-sense

>>36995

>I'm glad to have Neo back. Actually decent fight aside from a few horrible stops. They could have been real fluid with this one, but that would mean that RT would actually shill more money.

>Cinder gets the happy privilege of getting new threads that not even Neo gets any. Aside from Roman's hat. But that kinda proved that Rooster Teeth doesn't know how to design good original outfits post-Monty.

>Also, with Cinder being more desperate and more vengeful, won't she stop with trying to be a sex phone operator and actually emote harder? Fucking Nigri.

>The Farm thing, I can be interested in if they keep it around 3-4 episodes, because if they stay too long that's just gonna be like Volume 5 with more Scooby Doo.

> Though that also means that even with the very heavy and somehow exclusive lore infodump we got in ep3 , it won't change anything in the long run. It'll just reappear when Ozpin will be. GJ RWBY.

>Also hey, you get more SHIPPING! SHIPPING IS SO MUCH FUN!

>LOOK YANG STILL CAN'T GET OVER HER PTSD! LOOK LOOK LOOK! WE ARE LEARNING GUYS~

>Also I was right that Yang's new Arc will just be Blake's love interest Sharing her vengeance against Adam.

>Calling it now. Grim.

Like It's better than the past episodes forced Dramafest but… again… this proves that unless Ozpin returns to the picture, getting valuable and possibly forbidden information about the lore of RWBY isn't exactly a serious mind blown moment.

But if the next episode might give us 5 options:

>Bumblebee Shipping Happens

>Ruby's Silver Eye Bomb.

>Ozpin Gets Big Hero Moment that has him be magically trusted by RWBY

>Grandma just pretending to be retarded

>Qrow Dies.

>>36999

>>Also, with Cinder being more desperate and more vengeful, won't she stop with trying to be a sex phone operator and actually emote harder? Fucking Nigri.

Cinder doesn't have personality beyond slutty edgelord so Nigri only plays her as slutty edgelord.

>> Though that also means that even with the very heavy and somehow exclusive lore infodump we got in ep3 , it won't change anything in the long run. It'll just reappear when Ozpin will be. GJ RWBY.

I expected this subplot of RWBY losing faith in Ozpin to really change nothing in the long-run. Ruby won't let her team and uncle just bail out of their quest and stuff happen to make Ozpin stick with them and either say sorry or get trust again.

>Also I was right that Yang's new Arc will just be Blake's love interest Sharing her vengeance against Adam.

She has nowhere else to go short of either becoming Raven or joining Salem.

>>37007

>becoming Raven, who last season was shown as a coward and a backstabber who had to be guilted into doing the right thing, and not even guilted correctly

The idea is that Yang becomes more hostile to continuing their journey since she's sure Salem can't be stopped and is too dangerous to fight. She starts out advocating abandoning civilians to the Grimm and ends up flat-out planning to desert. Ruby or some other teammate would catch her and they'd fight it out.

>Joining Salem, who just two episodes ago, was shown as the ultimate reason why Remnant is shit and will always be shit

The idea from 4chan's thread is that she goes a step farther than Raven did and says "Can't beat them? Join them!" since Salem is again too dangerous to oppose. There was talk about Mercury ditching Salem and replacing Yang but that was a joke I'm sure.

>>37008

>She starts out advocating abandoning civilians to the Grimm and ends up flat-out planning to desert

As much as that will add actual character to Yang, I highly doubt it. Yang, in a sense, is already broken and she said she will defer to Ruby's judgment on things.

as for joining Salem, i think that's an even lesser chance of happening. While she fucking hates Ozpin's guts right now, she saw what everyone else saw and she knows the truth, which makes her a liability to Salem.

>>37008

>4chan's thread

What is this?

What the literal fuck is this?

What in the fuck is this shit?

>>36994

I think Qrow's VA said something that heavily hinted at the theory of him being a father instead of an uncle was legit.

> Yeah… That would be interesting wouldn't it?

Maybe he was fucking with then. Still dumb to pander to any theory- right or not.

>>36995

Don't forget to spoiler major stuff about the episode for a couple of posts.

> I love how Neo's clothes are a combo of her usual outfit and Torchwicks. Also kind of glad this may mean we don't get Torchwick alive for bullshit reasons. Though Neo surviving is barely credible.

> One of the best fights in a long time. Hope it keeps up. Now it just needs to have the escalation/crazy factor.

> Weiss' winter clothes are still fucking dumb.

> Surprised Qrow didn't already loot when he had a look round. But I guess after what he saw, it slipped his mind.

> Is it just me, or is Ruby's voice getting deeper? I know some folk don't like how high pitched it was, but I prefer it to episode 1 Ruby. I know Lindsy was pregnant during this, but I swore some of her lines were pitched up. Though it is growing on me. That or that it's subdued for a change.

> "No one else goes alone", and then they leave Oscar with the old woman. Oscar can fight better than her, but I'd still argue he's as much a non-combatant as the old woman. In fact, now Ozpin has checked out, he IS dead weight.

> If only Yang and Blake had something to cover their mid-rifs.

> I get Blake was joking, but a tractor could be ideal for the wilderness. In fact that seems to be the idea when they look at the trailer (as oppose to their actual plan). Of course, it's too rusted to run, and it's just a nitpick.

> No foley on Blake's footsteps as she ran up.

> I was almost gonna say Blake and Yang's resolution was too fast, but that comment right at the end was good. Maybe Yang telling Blake about her PTSD was a tad too soon, being she doesn't trust her to protect her, but I'm on the fence about it.

> That bike could barely go though the snow when Yang was pushing it, how the fuck is it gonna move with a trailer and all those people- even if they put chains on it for ad-hoc snow tires?

> Weiss seems to have more confidence in the plot that audience does.

Another good-ish episode. Again, the more action we get with sprinkings of plot, the better it is. If you write best in tiny windows, then write in tiny windows. Too much freedom is bad if you don't know how to use it (in writing).

Some if you need this:

https://invidio.us/watch?v=pT1XiUbJu_Y&t=7m45s

I had several complaints, but the store shelter not making creaking noises as Blake&Yang walked was the worst. Walking on air is a crime.

>>37012

So it makes you wonder if Roman's hat was flown off when the Nevermore ate him or was it eaten along with him.

>>37001

> Holy shit this fight. Neo actually uses the dishes on the bar. It is far more of a dance. Did they hire an actual choreographer?

> FOR FUCKING ONCE. Cinder finishes the fight with "look I have actual magic" and someone responds with "holy shit, that's actual magic, fuck me".

> I hope they kill Little Miss for selling Cinder out.

>>37002

> Spooky

> God, that old woman is useless. She's probably going to read something that makes everyone even more afraid.

> Fluid always makes me feel better? Did I hear Ruby correctly?

>>37003

> There's no way that that ricer is going to pull that trailer. Hook it up to the tractor: no one is going to question you in the snow.

> It's way too soon for Yang to even talk about her episodes given how she reacts to Blake saying that she'll protect her. Even admitting to her problem would have made her feel vulnerable, and she isn't prepared for others to see her as such.

> Even more evidence that Adam probably tapped that.

>>37004

> When the fuck did her sword get that power?

> Qrow is an alcoholic. We, the writers, forgot, so now we have to remind you, the audience.

> Weiss: "Are we still going to Atlas?" What the flying fuck? This is the same shit. They signed up to be Huntsmen: basically something like forest rangers. They joined a cause that would NEVER have an end. EVER. Managing extremely hostile wildlife has unlimited job security, unless you plan on making that wildlife go extinct, which they never had any clue that they could ever achieve (when they joined). In addition: Salem isn't the source of the Grimm. She kind-of controls them, but they are still going to be around when she's out of the picture. The only reason that they should question going to Atlas is that it was for Ozpin, and they have no idea what he intended to achieve there, given that HE already knew that he couldn't kill Salem when he decided to go there.

Both Blake and Weiss have complained about being tired. So the monster in the wine cellar is probably a Grimm that makes people fall asleep. It could be the Semblance of one of the kids, but they would be dead by now.

>>37014

It looks like it was eaten with him….

>>37013

>yurifag

I'm just sad the whole seeing flashes of the person before they mysteriously disappeared is being used for Adam when they could have done it with cinder seeing images of Roman (created by neo semblance) to lead up to their fight. The fight was good at least, except for the fact that it didn't sync with the music at all but that's to be expected from RT at this point.

>>37015

> It looks like it was eaten with him….

She could have bought a new hat in a similar style. But that is an oversight IMO.

As for that bottom spoiler it makes sense. Sleeping Beauty is a fairy tale they haven't done yet, and with how heavily Qrow said "it's like they're sleeping and never woke up". I think some versions of sleeping beauty also had all the people in the castle/kingdom fall asleep as well (mainly the Disney version, since in the original I think they turned to stone?) I'm wondering if it's someone with the semblance to make others feel their emotions/condition. She's hungry, everyone's hungry, she's asleep, everyone is asleep. That still doesn't answer why the Grim (if the Grim has sleeping powers) didn't eat them and everyone else while they slept. They don't need to eat, but is it literally that they must cause chaos and pain as "beings of destruction"? Why is it OK for them to smash a building but not someone while asleep? When unobserved are Grim totally placid? Of course none of that matters if it's not a Grim causing the sleep (nearby Grim would not go to the homestead of people asleep since there is no negative emotion- depending on the canon if they don't hunt by sight and smell). Could be something as dumb as "yeah all the food and drink is infected with this sleeping mold/poison, the only cure is a plant in this mine with a nasty Grim in it, find it before you fall asleep gang!"

Shit that last part actually sounds interesting…

>>37015

>Weiss: "Are we still going to Atlas?" What the flying fuck? This is the same shit. They signed up to be Huntsmen: basically something like forest rangers. They joined a cause that would NEVER have an end. EVER. Managing extremely hostile wildlife has unlimited job security, unless you plan on making that wildlife go extinct, which they never had any clue that they could ever achieve (when they joined). In addition: Salem isn't the source of the Grimm. She kind-of controls them, but they are still going to be around when she's out of the picture. The only reason that they should question going to Atlas is that it was for Ozpin, and they have no idea what he intended to achieve there, given that HE already knew that he couldn't kill Salem when he decided to go there.

That only shows that again, this subplot of losing trust in Ozpin won't change anything about the status quo much at all. They were already doing an apparently endless battle against the Grimm before learning Salem is immortal and beyond mortal's means to kill. They are still going to continue the quest since it's doubtful Ruby will let them bailout or join Salem. Even if Ozpin signs out for now, he'll show up again soon enough to either apologize or do something to get Ruby's posse to work with him again. So again, nothing.

Fatman's crew's discussion on episode 4.

>>37020

>Jewtube

Hey, if we wanted to get money for reviewing, you should have asked, fatmanfalling.

Episode 5 discussion. This time I remember the invidio.us link, and Floof looks like a retard.

>>37025

Ozpin us back? I guess that bedtime story spooked everyone, even Oscar.

>>36934

>>36926

I actually dislike the old lady being there for her 'role'. The 'role' she fulfilled should have been Ruby's to take on here. She's the optimist, the team leader, the hero. The smarter way to resolve it would be to have her take on the 'strong face' here, and then later on have a talk about how hopeless she feels with someone else - probably Jeanne, once the group meets up, but one of the mentor types like Qrow could work as well.

>>37001

That's their best choreographed fight in a long while, but I'll be damned if I'm not sad that Neo is being set up to just act as Cinder's henchman. Hopefully she goes for the back-stab or something at some point later down the line.

>>37028

One of these days I need to learn ffmpeg's alphaextract & alphamerge, to combine tweets to their videos. Unless maskedmerge is the better option. Overlaying seems to be the wasteful option.

https://rtv3-video.roosterteeth.com/store/1ca4e74edb24aa3b57275592e85cb723-512076a6/ts/1543639983_index.m3u8

Another week another episode.

Pretty neat horror episode. Might steal the idea for a tabletop.

I hope they don't overrely on human-shaped Grimm.

>>37039

Yang: "Hey guys, let stop in the middle of the cold to say #MeToo"

'Cause Yang totally heard Weiss on her soft voices with a roaring motorbike.

>5 girls

>no screaming

epic

>>37037

Today's Episode in a nutshell

>Chris Kokkinos

Man, this guy must be distracted or losing it.

>>37036

> We just invented this bad luck idea, and now we have to force it.

> Oscar, you didn't sign up for shit. And they signed up for life-long struggle. This is bullshit.

> Weiss asks why they are going to Atlas and NO ONE CAN ANSWER. Ozpin is why they were going to Atlas, and they have manufactured drama with him.

>>37037

> Why does this well look like a sewer? Did they steal the well from Ocarina of Time?

> Too much this: >>37042

> Why are these trained huntsmen running from shit-tier Grimm?

> Did they leave Blake's weapon on the floor?

>>37038

> Did she burn the fucking house down? WTF?

>>37039

> >>36737 called it

New grimm could of been good but just like the nuckelavee, they fucked it up by beating it in a single episode. They also should of killed qrow.

I am shocked with how they're actually asking the questions we all are. Almost makes it seem like they intentionally set it up, and I'm not used to them being able to plan so far ahead.

The Grimm's name is a little on the nose but I personally love the design, like how they're all slightly different. I'm surprised Ruby was actually scared of it for a time. Usually themes like this try to lean too heavily on metaphors for depression and become very schmaltzy very fast. It didn't here and I hope it continues (because RWBY and co have legit reasons to be miserable, as oppose to actual depression happening even if it's not so bad). And I fucking love how they explained Granny not seeing Ruby's silver eyes. Her short speech also helps explain why they should bother trying to save the day- because if they don't, people can be harmed here and now. That should have been a message they got back at Beacon, but still glad to hear it now.

Although, there are some minor issues. How the fuck did Granny get down the well?

The running away animation from the Grim at the start and as they left the house looked awful (running a short pace in a small place), and no one used covering fire on them. Not to mention running from the Grim could have set it up better if any form of combat was ineffectual, not just a few shots. Regenerating limbs or not flinching or reacting to anything- slow and inevitable advance.

The mocap didn't really sell how exhausted/tired they were either, it sort of lacked the "heaviness" when someone is just ready to drop. Same issue with Qrow's drunkeness now I think about it, not nearly "floppy" enough.

It's also kind of a hard sell that these grim are a threat when we've seen these people fight at such a break-neck pace. It implies they should also be able to retreat quickly as well. Semblance aside, everyone should have been able to out-run the Grim while not under it's effects.

I'm also surprised such a potentially lethal Grim was not more known about. These are a greater threat than any dragon or sea-serpent we've seen up to now. Also makes Granny's decision to toss the book fucking dumb. Although you could argue that with that "war on individuality" we've not been told about, they wouldn't want a repeat of it if info got into the wrong hands. Ironically the same argument they made about ditching the lamp (it's so slim anyone will find it, it won't be a problem for at least our time). As others say, they look like jobbers because they were never fought. Sure they're supposed to be weak, but draining someone of all willpower should make it more of a threat. Imagine if Dee and Dudley wound up traveling with the team, and got picked off by that Grim as they went to/were in the estate. Monsters are only scary when we know what will happen when they catch someone- and this is a rare case where showing is better than implying. Have those corpses have teeth and claw marks on them, but Qrow comments there were no defensive wounds. Build suspense by having someone talk about a rumor of the farm ("When the farm failed, they all turned to cannibalism!") to at least add some mystery and suspense to it all.**

It kind of makes me wish all Grimm had the potential to spread negative emotions as a power, beyond natural fear of them. I.e. A monkey like grim that taunts and teases, then strikes when the person is in a berserk rage. Or one that makes a person unable to see other humans- ramping up feelings of isolation and loneliness. Though that would probably limit you to like 10 different species.

Overall, an alright episode. Again, the less they address the plot and do anything but that seems to work best for them, as long as they aren't sitting around. Still some flaws.

>>37045

I may have called it, but now I'm even more worried. We've seen the big monster, we've seen the "cave", we've seen why Torchwick's hat was in the intro, who the hooded woman was, why Qrow was sinking into misery, the blond woman- all the big stuff teased in the intro has been done. What's left? How many episodes have we got? In terms of what's been set up, there's no reason for the gang not to make it to just-outside-of-Atlas in the next episode.

>>37049

Maybe the relic gets stolen. Ruby has it exposed, someone's going to recognize it's valuable, and Lil' Miss Malachite def. has eyes everywhere.

I also bet Atlas is in turmoil because of the blockade. It's the perfect time to strike against Jacques and his abusive business now to a halt.

After seeing that episode, I'm gonna post my own "fixes" for this volume so far. Will spoiler the latest episode, and unless I type otherwise, assume it's the same. I won't address stuff like animation (i.e. Dudley's arm looking more broken), stuff being answered now that should have been much earlier, and try to go by whatever the current continuity is.

> After getting his arm patched up, Dudley uses his Semblance to call a badly injured Dee to him. Both had teleportation related semblances one could move himself, the other could send anything to elsewhere), but one day they got "tangled up" using their semblance's at the same time, and now only have the power to bring one to the other. It has great potential for neat attacks, but they're still kinda useless.

> Dee and Dudley end up crashing with the crew (ending up on the wrong half of the train due to bumbling), and act as the audience surrogate to all the stuff with Djinn and occasionally comic relief for a while.

> The Djinn flashback plays out without commentary from her, letting Ozma and Salem + others talk. The gods have a bit more of a fight while reviving/killing Ozma.

> Salem is shown building up an army for generations- to the point the world has steam-punk technology, and it's implied she has the entire world on her side. Also show her snippets of talking to various rulers, and playing into what their culture or rulers desire (wiping out others, keeping loved ones alive, being the dominant force on the planet, survival, etc). The better tech then makes it more impressive when it does jack-shit to the gods. I.e. hit head-on by a magical mortar doing squat.

> When the GoD wipes out the world, the GoL is at least shown reaching out shouting no or turning away as his brother does it. He's not against it being done, just how it was done. I.e. He'd have rather abandoned them and moved onto another planet or peacefully killed them. The broken moon is shown to be more intentional, and a reminder to Salem and the next humanity of what happens when you are divided.

> The GoL is shown to be much more benevolent- not fighting his brother as it would have destroyed the universe and each other. Or go full blown Greek god tier and have him as arrogant, depends on if the end goals of humanity being united is supposed to surpass the gods or not.

> Salem and revived Ozma's reign is shown in more detail- trying to keep the people happy to stop grim attacks (they can deal with an assault of any size, but can't be everywhere at once). This includes letting people treat Faunus with scorn (because a few unhappy Faunus far outweigh the human population being frustrated of having to treat someone they don't trust fairly), use of plants like recreational drugs to prevent negative emotions, and even "The War on Individuality" Ozpin mentioned. This ends up with cult-like behavior (masks and cloaks so people can't be jealous of on another), and Salem says how without an identity people fill that with other things, like being the best worshiper of them. This also results in even more wars- now civil wars between factions of worshipers.

> Ozma & Salem's fight is shown in more detail, and the kids are more heavily implied to have fled and given the whole maiden rebirth spell, or died. Maybe even save this as a fight for the final episode and let the team "pause" the flashback since the wish is not fulfilled.

> The Great War is shown to have been started by Salem or a follower, killing an important person a'la WW1. This is during a meeting of important people as an incarnation of Ozpin tries to set up the Academies. Ozpin's next life is then of the young prince who eventually becomes the king who ends the war using one of the relics- the sword. Or another fancy fight scene with what his magic can do.

>>37051

> After the flashback, Qrow and Blake's initial reaction is blind anger and being willing to kill Oscar/Ozpin. Yang and Blake hold them back- Yang is just as mad but doesn't want to harm Oscar, and Weiss sympathizes with Ozpin being in bad situations and doing bad things when manipulated by people they love. Before the fight escalates, Ruby puts an end to the fight, acting surprisingly leader-like, but not in a good way (playing the authority of being the leader). She says they're closer to Argus, and they'll meet up with JNR to discuss it further since they deserve to know what they just saw.

> Ozpin fades away, and Oscar wonders if he is gone. Qrow says he doubts it, but doesn't care if he did. Dee and Dudley are still a little shaken over everything they've seen, but reluctantly tag along since working together will be safer.

> Cinder's frozen body is shown shattering on impact with the water. The grim arm eventually thaws out and floats to the surface. It then starts to bubble and regenerate (maybe even cutting to Salem and having her eyes glow a little brighter, showing she may have some sort of mind-link to explain how she knows Cinder lived). Before we see more of it, Cinder bolts up as if waking from a nightmare. She's horrified to see her grim arm now goes up to her shoulder rather than her than her elbow. She gets her clothes, and uses her maiden powers to blast her way out of the rock (implied over the course of a long time if need be), or climb back up.

> When Little Miss reveals she knows about Cinder, she's blind-sided by (we assume) Torchwick attacking her. His fighting style seems a little different than usual, and Cinder eventually calls out that it's Neo using her semblance (her attacks are coming in shorter and she's moving too lightly to be Torchwick).

> The scene with Salem/Emerald/Hazel plays out mostly the same. Emerald blames herself due to her neuroses and Hazel tells her to be quiet and he'll handle it. Hazel initially tries to blame the correct source (RWBY, the Faunus, Raveb), but Salem says she wants to know who was responsible for them preventing any attempt to sneak or force the relic out. Hazel tries to blame Adam which only makes Salem angrier since "he's an animal that should be easily controlled". Hazel realizes she's looking for a subordinate to blame to set an example, and fearing for Emerald he takes the blame. Emerald steps in and blames Cinder. Salem then mock congratulates Emerald for learning to abandon her loyalties to Cinder, and scorns Hazel that next time he may not have a dead ally to pin blame onto.

>>37052

Spoilers for episode 6 from here on out:

> As RWBY travel a blizzard hits, making it almost impossible to see. They eventually find shelter and shake off exhaustion, but Dee has been separated from the pack. When Dudley teleports him back to them, Dee seems to be in a trance like state. His eyes are heavily blackened like he's exhausted, and when he can be bothered to speak he just says "It's fine". Dudley almost has to feed him by hand. They talk about what could have happened to him but no one is sure (unlikely to be poison, not like anything any known Grim could do, not to mention they prefer making people panic more, etc.) Talks about abandoning Dee are suggested, but quickly shelved out of decency.

> When RWBY find the Brunswick Farm, Dudley seems apprehensive. Once settled inside he explains how he heard an old rumor: The farm went bust, and the family turned to cannibalism. Some still roam the wilderness today, etc etc. Everyone palms it off and tells him he's stupid telling a story that'd scare people- right on queue for Weiss to find the dead bodies in the bedroom.

> Qrow looks it over and explains what's odd. While the wounds are consistent with a grimm (claws and teeth not like animals in that area), the room has no signs of a struggle, and the bodies don't have defensive wounds on their arms. If it was a Beowolf, Ursa, Manticore, etc. The whole room should be in pieces, and the bodies in a far worse state.

> As the team wind down for the evening after investigating, Dudley asks why they're going to carry on with their quest. While most of the girls initially make good arguments, counterpoints Dudley makes are readily accepted (because of the apathy). When comparing it to the fight against the grim in general, Dudley (out of his own apathy) explains how he quickly grew disillusioned. He compares it to gambling- how even if you have a 99.9% chance to win, you will eventually lose if you play long enough. A person will die on your watch, and there's nothing you could have done to stop it. Dudley says when Huntsmen get old enough, they either hold onto their naivety, or learn that they will never truly win. Hence why him and Dee took a more money focused approach. Since no one knows where Grim come from and the recent tragedy has only spiked their numbers, it seems humanity will never truly stop the Grim unless they have total peace like the GoL wanted. And war seems like something that'll always happen, even without Salem. If there's only 0.1% of people driving towards war, they just need to get lucky. Qrow doesn't say anything to disagree with him, but he does tell him to knock it off and sends him out on first patrol that night.

> Ruby asks Qrow if he's OK before bed, and he says he's fine etc. He then asks her how she's not angry (since his apathy has stopped him caring about her feelings as much). He doesn't get how she's not furious at Ozpin- being the reason Raven, him and the world is how it is. She says she is, but she'll deal with it later. She asks Qrow if Summer was ever involved with Ozpin and Salem. Before he can answer, they hear Dudley screaming outside. Everyone piles out to help, but they see nothing. Dudley says he saw red eyes in the blizzard, and everyone eventually palms it off on tiredness, hunger, and general creepiness of the place. Even the snow feels weird. Dudley is freaking out, and says he'd rather take his chance in the blizzard, Qrow snaps that that's fine.

> During the night we get a scene of the POV of something walking among the team as they sleep. It approaches Qrow, only for him to slightly turn in his sleep making the camera move back. It's attention then turns to Dee. (the grim only targets those who are totally apathetic and won't fight back)

>>37053

> The next morning happens as the show does. When they ask where Dudley and Dee are, they assume Dudley was actually dumb enough to walk off into the blizzard and took Dee with him, or left early that morning. A few people say they don't care about them if they are going to risk their lives like that. As in the episode, the crew argue about if Dudley was right- abandoning the Lamp here and leaving it for another generation to worry about.

> When Ruby comes to her senses and freaks out, she explains things a little better. Everyone is getting the deep black marks around their eyes like Dee did, several comments made were kind of cruel/thoughtless, and they didn't cause the usual reaction (someone called Weiss spoiled and she let it slide, another said something unintentionally but still kinda racist about Faunus and Blake let is slide, etc).

> Each downplay it and Yang tries her best to calm Ruby down and say she's just not thinking straight. Ruby then accuses Yang of the same, and the camera moves to show she's holding Yang's hair or even managed to cut a piece off without her noticing (or it being shown to the audience for more surprise, a'la The Vision holding Thor's hammer). Yang seems genuinely surprised before trying to shrug it off. "You're family, i-it's different." She comes to her senses when she has another vision of Adam, very clear and very close. Blake asks what's wrong, to which Yang replies "I should be screaming right now but I just don't care." Yang agrees something is very wrong. Oscar agrees and says they need to see something. The reason the tire burst was because Dudley's mace was under the snow and it ran over one of the spikes on it. They dig out a bit more snow and find Dudley underneath- badly injured. He softly mutters "It's fine" before dying. This acts as the adrenaline/shock to get everyone back to their senses to get the Lamp back.

> Attempts to set up a rope to get down the well fail when the rope snaps as the last person goes down it. When Ruby finds The Apathy, they're eating Dee's body (showing as much as we can and keeping the age rating the same). Nothing seems to hurt them, and they slowly advance. They even attempt a sling-shot similar to what they did on the Nevermore (using Gambol Shroud as a slingshot, Ruby pulls it back, Weiss uses glyphs to hold it in place/speed up the release, and Yang is the "shot"). Despite hitting with tremendous force, the hole in the Apathy's chest regenerates. It then slowly looks up at Yang and exhales a snow-like breath. Instead of a scream, the Apathy use snow like spores to drain people of willpower. With enough of them, they can even make it look like it is snowing indoors, or a full blown blizzard. The gang are forced to run, gradually moving slower and slower. Maria (Grandma) reveals she used to be a Huntress, and jumps down the well to help when Oscar is paralyzed by indecision (asking for Ozpin's help and he does nothing).

> As the gang are close to the exit and struggling, Blake says her "It's fine" (making it a recurring line meant to evoke the emotions from earlier- concern and fear) and Ruby does some weak silver eye stuff. Maria teaches her how to do it, and she vaporizes the Grim down to puddles. Said puddles then begin to reform into something much larger. Maria removes her goggles and lets out a blast of light more akin to Season 3's finale, petrifying the grim into a statue of half-formed limbs.

> The books on Apathy say that while they are not powerful, they are nigh-indestructible and relentless. They prefer to attack people when they are in a state of total apathy and won't struggle- not that it'd do any good. On the way out, the gang discuss what to do with the book about the Apathy. Fearing it falling into the wrong hands vs. warning others. Ruby gives a short and curt answer to burn it, and that they'll tell the appropriate people. The episode having a theme of doing something now, planning for tomorrow, putting it off for tomorrow, and how it affects others. Still not sure whether burning the book or not is good myself. If they keep the book, have a stinger shot at the end of the edge of an Apathy just at the edge of frame by a tree as the gang drive off, implying there are more.

>>37054

I just realized I never solved the problem about Apathy being OP. Not sure how to fix it either falling shy of that Grim usually lives deep underground and struggles to get to the surface, or some other hand-wave of "lol it's rare".

>>37055

Maybe freezing it with ice dust and burning it with fire dust are effective strategies? Probably have to keep it as a rare Grimm anyway.

>>37051

> Salem is shown building up an army for generations

But, she was promising people immortality, which means that they have to be alive when she makes her move. She can't string people along for too long with such a promise.

>>37049

> How the fuck did Granny get down the well?

The same way RWBY got down the well: she jumped and broke everything.

>>37057

Honestly, I got too caught up in the Shadow Temple comparisons and forgot to ask it myself, but I want to rant about how RWBY got down the well, not just Granny. They jumped. Like if they had jumped over a wall or something. Not like twenty or thirty feet down that they had to have fallen. I realize that we have seen everyone fall from greater heights and land gracefully, but those were in fights. Monty fights. Not the new, more realistic, less cool fights that RT has made. When the show is not in a fight, and thus not subject to the rule-of-cool, characters are subject to OUR laws of physics. They could have survived going down the well in such a manner if it resulted in a gag (the JOKE thus negating physics), but no, they just kind-of hopped down. I would have accepted Mario wall-jumping down, but did we see that? No. And then there's Grandma. Seeing her wall-jump down would have been bad-ass, but out of character. Showing everyone sliding down a rope would have made sense, made sense for Grandma, and could have been turned into a cheap gag to release some of the suspense before piling on more.

>>37060

My question is, "What's the Shallow Sea?" The Sea of Life, or the Sea of Destruction?

>>37062

One more for the BYNGO!

>V6C7

Like I thought, Cinder&Neo will [attempt to?] get the relic first, and we might have a Oolong answer. Bets on who asks?

I bet Granny. But if we go Dragonball, it's Neo, or Malachite

Neo's first utterance! And a weird question!

No, Dee or Dudley?

>>37063

Nothing suggested the Relic won't be still usable to summon the gods, so it'd still need protecting.

I also wonder what question Cinder could ask that would be useful to her. How to find other maidens? Everything about Ruby so she can think of new ways to trick her/hurt loved ones/etc?

>>37062

>It's not apathy, it's mind control.

My point with the statement about no one being able to answer is that, now that they've had their little break-up with Ozpin, none of them have any motivation to go to Atlas. Oz was driving them to Atlas. Oz was the only one with any fucking clue what they are going to do in Atlas. Without Oz, they have no reason to even go.

> The water tunnels alone would have taken years to construct and more manpower to build than the story even hints was present.

Honestly, it looks more like a city sewer than a well. That's not how anyone moves fresh water. Do the creators not know what a well is? I realize that it's gross when you think about it: dig a hole in the ground deep enough that water pools in it (that is, water seeps in from around the hole and the hole is deep enough to gather the water). There is water in the ground that feeds a well, no aqueducts necessary.

>>37071

Plus a ripoff of Yang or Blake hitching a ride on the Nevermore in Volume 1. Only very VERY slow. If they sped up her fight scene, it would have genuinely have been okay.

>>37073

Don't forget probably gay. because of how important this totally slow and pointless fight scene is shown on a news site

>>37071

> That bridge kills me. And they have no time to learn how a bridge even works.

> When Salem said that they had dealt with a silver-eyed warrior before, we assumed she meant Summer. Did she actually mean granny?

> Still can't figure out multi-purpose melee/ranged weapons.

Has Ozpin come back yet

I want them to get the "we dun trust Oz no more" melodrama over with already. We all know it won't change the status quo.

>>37075

3rdpic, don't science RT bitches

>>37076

>Did she actually mean granny?

Highly likely, since we'ren't sure if Summer died, she official listed as MIA.

Summer as a the literal maiden guarding her relic, Ozpin's last trump card.

>>37073

Basing her motif on the grim reaper- it makes sense. Even her still using momentum based stuff to aid the weapon does.

What doesn't is why another silver-eyed person uses scythes and long cloaks. If anything, since the eyes petrify/vaporize, the weapon should be something that'd effectively herd Grimm into one place and bind them down. More kills per-flash. If Ruby could master her speed, she could be deadly against the Grimm with an Acme Glue-Gun. Or even just bolas.

Back on point, I'd be shocked if she never met Summer or trained her.

https://rtv3-video.roosterteeth.com/store/29f4148cf9b645aed3421960fb5d0e7f-78243b77/ts/1544242625_index.m3u8 New episode

lmao, jaunes sister is a dyke with a spic babby.

>>37086

Jaune's sister is a fucking cuck holy shit. A genetic dead end.

Well, the city looks good. Better than any other place shown in the entire show. Why they couldn't do this for whatever the capital city was last season I don't know. I also like the pacing. So far there hasn't been as much down time as in other seasons. There's a fight in each episode more or less, but still room for quiet moments. If anything at least that improved.

On a different note:

>lesbians

RT sure are greedy to collect the woke tokens aren't they? Can't wait for them to deflect criticism as homophobia.

>>37088

I just find it funny, considering that SonicFox debacle that happened at the VGAs, people literally calling him out that being gay and furry isn't a personality.

Then Rooster Teeth drops this in our laps. I think they really wanted to collect woke points, but holy shit did they pick the worst week to do it.

>>37083

Well that was anti-climatic, I was hoping that Maria lost her eyes in a fight with Salem or at least one of her loyalists that we've seen already.

Not some random schmuck doing a Tracer cosplay.

>>37085

That last scene, why isn't Qrow with them?

He quite literally represents Haven, and I'm sure Jacques wants Weiss or James.

Sad nobody wants to bet on who Oolong's Djinn.

>>37092

>short hair

>power related to clocks

>offensively British accent

How can that remind you of anything but Tracer?

t=14m my bad

>>37093

Fighting style, looks

>hybrid city

>theres a lot of niggers

>nigger baby

>"here's my wife-"

>nigger

LOL

> Neo becomes a crony for Cinder. Possibly she will be the Villain of the Season.

> The Grimm fight was slow as fuck and not the main fight of the show. The Main fight was… actually they are improving (somewhat) on the fight choreogpraphy but tend to miss the point involving beinng fluid and having the fight matter.

> Maria’s Backstory is so anticlmactic. But I do like that they got to talk about famous huntsman. Sadly the hints of the Grimm Reaper being popular or once popular are just in the limits of that scene. And how her overconfidence had her lose her SEB and huntsman status that she doesn’t even state she used or abused.

> Points for having a Crocodile Faunus be based on the one in Peter Pan.

> ”Teach me how to make my win button even winnier!”

> Damn they are already in Argus?! This show is getting pretty fast. Maybe one episode to fucking digest what the fuck is going on before new infodumps are in the table.

> And the new potential ships are on board because that is how RT goes, son.

> I will admit Argus is pretty and has its own culture. Sucks it’s based on San Fransisco.

> And we got the LGBT Token of the season. So token that her name is legit based in the ultimate Lesbian poet, Sapphos.

> Wait they are in Atlas, right? And in Ironwood’s Atlas, Gays were supposed to be in concentration camps or some shit. What gives?!

> Of course the wife and the kid are black. Make them Faunus too maybe?! You filthy degenerates.

> Jaune’s family photo might brig in the Loud Housefags.

> All that siblingness in that episode that you all wish Ruby and Yang should have!

> And the next episode will definitely be involving that tower… right?!

Overall, like I wanna like that they wanna have a fast pace, it’s just that there is too much stuff going and infodumps being pushed on us that in the end we just don’t have time to digest everything.

Plus, again… the entire Ultimate Oz Infodump (That is how I call it now) is just gonna exist when Oz will inevitably come back. None of what I see is rewarding or giving a payoff. Again, just give us time to digest what the hell they got and maybe it wont be as bad.

>>37081

> Salem not wanting Ruby dead still makes no sense.

> Really liked the idea behind the croc from Peter Pan. Shame she wasn't in the modern era, or associated with the existing Peter Pan character (though TBH Scarlet didn't exactly stick in anyone's mind). It was only the little thing (why a time limit on her powers?) but it generated more intrigue than the real mysteries. Imagine having her instead of Tyrion. Tyrion just laughs. Croc-Girl has to keep to strict timing when she uses her powers, but also is hyper-aggressive and cocky. That opens up a lot more potential than "he's nuts and sadistic". Not to mention the lemotif of a ticking clock for her theme would have been so fucking cool to hear every so often. Not sure if her design could have been more croc-like, but it's hard to pull off while still having a human face.

> What shocks me more is how short Maria is compared to her flashback. Yes old ppl shrink but there's a limit. Maybe her gravity powers are sucking her into herself.

> If we had build up to the Grimm Reaper this might be more interesting. A throw-away sentence here isn't quite enough. Imagine if Ruby explained being brought up on stories about her, and she idolized a literal legend- even if she had no idea she really existed. Idealistic and a little naive. And Qrow is symbolic of losing faith in legends and ideals. A throw-away scene or sentence a few seasons ago has more impact when it pays of 5 seasons later, not 5 seasons after. Shit like this is why I really do think Monty's Bible was either half-done or abandoned altogether.

> Wait, if it's not Salem's crew after Maria, who the fuck was it and why? Sure less Grimm = less bandit raids getting a free clean-up, but it's not like someone's gonna CSI every burnt down shit-shack in the woods. In fact, having Maria know about Salem would probably have been better, and explained why she was so "meh" about Jinn. Maybe even a past Ozpin knew her or something. In fact, since Maria can't fight, she should be chomping at the bit to teach Ruby- unless, again, there are forces out to get her that Maria knows about. Which also makes no sense since "Huntsmen fight to the end" Despite that, I still do like the sentiment of her regret and being proud of others.

> Why was Ruby surprised Jaune made it to Argus? The way she said it made it sound like he got all the way to Atlas, or Argus wasn't a city

> I never thought they could make San Fransisco look good. Even the lore is logical, and showing the city in motion without 2D was great. Shame they ruin it later with the 2D photo.

>>37081

>>37098

> Coalburner alert. Wouldn't bother me if I didn't know exactly what the studio was like and why coalburning is pushed. but the fact the first mixed-couple baby we meet and the dad is no where to be seen makes me laugh. Good job progressive company!

> I'm shocked Jaune's family isn't still all under one roof. I guess it's better than meeting an Arc in every arc.

> I actually really like the comic relief animation here with the eyes and arms. Very well animated. Even if a baby should not be smart enough to pout at that age

> LESBIAN COALBURNING?!

> OK, despite what I said earlier I ain't so hard on gay relationships (not like you're gonna have a kid anyhow, just don't be degenerate), but now I just realized they adopted the little tyke or he's from the mixed/latino girl's earlier relationship. Meaning they either had a TON of luck to find a baby the same shade as the dark girl, or the dark girl also had a dark boyfriend to make that color of baby.

> But yeah, subtle as a brick as always progressive company. There wasn't even a single "Oh!"- not a rude one, just a genuine surprised reaction. There was still the split second pause to hammer in how accepting everyone is. Even from Weiss- who had the most sheltered up-bringing of all. With her new acceptance of the world outside of Atlas, she didn't do the over niceness like some do when they don't know how to act around a gay couple. No one except bad people consider the gays as outside the norm in Remnant. Hell, maybe even they don't! "Wow, I may want to enslave humanity, but at least I'm not a homophobe!"

> At least it's not Bumblebee or someone else in the main cast being forced. Problem is now we know it's pushed in other media- when does it not feel forced? Even if there weren't (((other))) reasons for it, it gets old fast with how its been pushed by other media. Doesn't matter if it's a genre or a type of character or whatever- if others do it too much and poorly, your work will suffer when you try it. Unless it is exceptional and standard-breaking. They are a cute couple for now though.

> I like how Qrow can feign professionalism and polite conversation. Proves how he got by and isn't just a perma-brooding drunk.

Apart from some plot holes and agenda pushing I actually liked it. Probably missing more plot-holes with how Atlas is handing this dual-controlled city just before war breaks out but that's for next ep. RT can do comedy, even slice of life stuff, and they're getting better at action. They just can't do drama (though I am only judging from this as I've not seen other serious productions like Day 5) and big overarching plots. They are getting better bit by bit.

>>37089

From what little we've seen, I think we can safely say those two have more personality than SonicFox.

Sorry to double-post

>>37097

>Again, just give us time to digest what the hell they got and maybe it wont be as bad.

Last time we had time to digest nothing happened. After the house, M&K have followed the written word of the criticism, but not the spirit. So we're moving the plot along, and we've got no breaks.

I don't even feel like there's a lot to digest though, but that may just be me.