/sw/ - Star Wars

>>24287

>I was hoping we could continue discussion on all wiki progress here and vote on what to do and which domain to move to.

Before we set our sights on one specifically, I would suggest that you send out that email to our shortlist of possible sights and see who bites. No point spending days agonizing over which wiki is the best, only for that site not to respond to us, after all. I'm not sure exactly what places you're looking at, but one I might suggest is Infogalactic. It's a fork of Wikipedia that was founded for largely the same reasons we're trying to migrate over, so I think it's worth a shot to drop them a line and see if they're sympathetic. Worst they can do is say no, right?

>>24287

I was another person working on some Holowiki stuff, but as we got stuck and my time became sparser, I kind of forgot about it. I agree with the other post about finding sympathetic hosts before we decide upon one. Infogalactic is intriguing, but I hadn't heard of thrm before now. Regardless, I agree that we should cover our bases first.

thanks for the update. I recommend: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze

>>24287

>pre-2011 content

so to understand this right, the legends cut-off point will be everything before April 25th 2014? + any story content from SWTOR so far (excluding cash shop crossguard lightsabers and whatever non-canon disney stuff might have trickled through since TFA)

>>24305

Basically yes. But 2011 or 2012 is probably recommended since after that point the Disney buyout and other elements of Disney Canon start showing up on the wiki

>>24306

negotiations with the Mouse began in May 2011, the purchase was announced on October 30, 2012, and acquisition was in December 2012.

knowing Disney, I wouldn't be surprised if they did initial groundwork on the wiki to prepare the way for their cancer. therefore, the cut-off date must be no later than mid-2012, and should probably be placed earlier. Personally I would recommend anytime in 2011.

thinking about this some more – I'd go no earlier than 4th quarter of 2010, and no later than 1st quarter of 2012. 2011 seems like a decent middle ground. in fact, I cast my vote for May 4th, 2011 as the cut-off date.

>>24307

Mid-2012 is the correct point where shit started to change. That's when Brandon Rhea, one of the staff members of Wikia FANDOM started becoming even more active on the wiki and began making demands to put more emphasis on the OT and Clone Wars. In 2014 is it was he who began the Legends-Canon split. So yes, anything from before the 2012 is the best place to start archiving.

>>24308

I'm leaning towards mid-2011.

>>24287

I know of a few alternatives if you're interested. Also, the Simpsons wiki had a schism of their own and split off from Wikia, as seen here: https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/Main_Page

How much work would it take to set up our own domain?

We should exclude Filloni wars as well, tbh.

Hey, what about 1d4chan? It's run by anons, even if they are halfchan anons. They might want to listen to us.

>>24310

That'd be good, but we can't exclude the material that came before Disney. What we can do however is move the contradictory stuff to the Behind the Scenes section like Wookieepedia for anything below C-Canon. Clone Wars is technically its own canon anyway since its "T" canon.

>>24313

>like Wookieepedia for anything below C-Canon.

Meant

>like Wookieepedia used to do for anything below C-Canon.

>>24312

Isn't 4/tg/ and 1d4chan in favor of the sequels? I often see 4/tg/ being more defensive of Disney content more so than any other board over there since everyone shits on Disney's films except maybe /co/ and them. But I don't like lurking there often outside of keeping track of the enemy and all that, so I hopefully am wrong. If so, how do we even approach them about advice? Is anyone on this board a member over there who can seek out an admin or senior user among them who could give us some tips?

>>24316

>Isn't 4/tg/ and 1d4chan in favor of the sequels?

Couldn't tell you about halfchan, I visit there even less than you do. I'm a 1d4chan member, and I believe one of our resident Sithposters is as well, but it's been a while since I've been active. I can drop a line to an admin and talk about possibilities of us getting hosting there.

>>24317

Sweet! Let us know how that goes.

>>24287

Also what are your picks for alternatives, OP?

>>24316

4/tg/ is a mixed bag. Originally they were more biased towards the EU due to the wealth of older material for RPGs and such, as opposed to /swco/, which focused more on newer media like comics and cartoons.

Eventually /co/ banned its general and since then the /tg/ thread has become the defacto general for SW on halfchan. TLJ did end a lot of the elitism surrounding the mouse-canon, so it's not as bad as /co/s general was during its last years.

>>24311

>>24305

>>24306

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>>24308

>>24309

so if the cut-off date is set as early as 2011-2012, will the remaining few years of EU leading up to 2014 have to sorted/added manually? Because we still had new EU material come out all the way up to the actual "decanonization" annoucement in april 2014 and as far as I understand all that new EU info was integrated into the wiki. Isn't this a good thing? Or did something get compromised towards the end of the EU timeline that makes this a bad idea? Just to clarify, the idea is to make a clean EU/1-6 wiki right? So isn't the objective to include as much EU as possible? Just cut out all the red flags/bad disney influence that may have crept in accidentally.

>>24309

>put more emphasis on the OT and Clone Wars.

Ok I'm kind of out of the loop. I've heard about Brandon Rhea before, but what do you mean "emphasis on OT and Clone Wars". What did this mean for the wiki back then? What happened in mid-2012 that's directly related to the the OT and Clone Wars? How do you suddenly put "more emphasis" on the OT and Clone Wars? Did this come at a cost and was there direct incentive to do so? What did this mean in practical terms? Can someone spoonfeed me a quick rundown?

>>24310

>>24311

>We should exclude Filloni wars as well

>Just treat it like a sub-continuity, like the 80s Marvel comics.

although the 80s marvel comics had some ambigious shit in them and sort of felt like their own sub-continuity, wasn't all that history still integrated in all wookiepedia articles/character pages? There are EU novels that reference both 80s marvel comics and TCW. There was a dark horse comic that I can't remember the name of that integrated a few characters from the 80s marvel shit and happens in the same continuity. Then there's obvious stuff like this

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Wheel/Legends

Can we please go with the original concept for Arc Troopers from the comics, where they were specifically designed to be closer to Jango and they were personally trained by him. That nonsense about Arc Troopers being normal clones that got promoted really pissed me off. I don't understand how the CGI show could just outright ignore everything that was presented in the first appearance of Arc Troopers.

>>24320

Figured /co/ was behind the faggotry. They're always were the worst aspects of any fandom spring up.

>>24307

>>24309

>>24308

I think it'd be safer to go with 2010, but that would be too nitpicky. Any potential Disney content or inconsistencies at the time of 2011 or 2012 would be easy enough to remove without too much worry.

>>24322

>will the remaining few years of EU leading up to 2014 have to sorted/added manually?

Yes. Its the only way to avoid any inconsistencies or references to Disney. By 2013 the wiki was already adding Disney content like movie articles and JJ Abrams and whatnot. We'd have to search through every article to weed out any added Disney info. For example, several articles already had "after the Disney purchase, it is unknown if the events in this article are still canon" among other things.

>>24322

>Can someone spoonfeed me a quick rundown?

Freaking backwater gungans. Basically, if something showed up in Clone Wars that severely contradicted a piece of pre-existing lore despite the majority of the EU disagreeing with CW on this one issue, like for example, Ryloth's rotation, Boba or the Talz, Rhea and those like him enforced that Clone Wars should have more bearing than all other media, despite that the majority of media did not align with Clone Wars on this issue, unlike before if newer media was inconsistent with something that was inconsistent with the old, the majority would rule and the inconsistency would be either corrected by Leland Chee or incorporated into the Behind the Scenes section of the article.

>>24318

>Also what are your picks for alternatives, OP?

https://miraheze.org/

No ads and sites made on there feel independent and separate from one another. See: https://crappygames.miraheze.org/wiki/Crappy_Games_Wiki

I had more, but others like neoseeker and torchpad have a shitty interface, and neoseeker has Disneyfags, although Neoseeker has a strict no politics or SJW/forced diversity crap like Wikia does with all its awful IGN-like news articles. So if things don't work out miraheze, we may have to resort to Neoseeker.

Those three are just the ones with workable interfaces, the rest look like crap and the ones that don't have ads by the dozen. But there is one other option, if we could set our own domain, we'd just have to download the MediaWiki PHP and set one up ourselves, however doing that would cost us money, so Miraheze is probably our best option.

>>24322

'Sub continuity' wasn't meant to imply a cut-off setting. More like, keep the old tiered canon system and make adjustments where it benefits continuity. Like putting the CGI show below C-Canon since it has a lot of story elements, that don't mesh with the wider EU.

Either way, it's too soon to worry about the way canon should be reorganised.

>>24327

I like the first one but if it doesn't work out we can always try manually moving shit over on the shoutwiki.

>>24327

Neoseeker already has a star wars wiki. So that leaves the other two. I like the first one since it looks like shoutwiki one alread.

>>24322

the idea is to collect as much old content as possible, while also avoiding Mouse AIDS by a wide berth. I think 2011 achieves that balance for the reasons I described. whenever the cut-off date is, we'll have to make manual adjustments; and that'll be easier if it's mostly including worthwhile stuff by hand rather than removing cancer cells.

as I said, Disney's subversion of the wiki undoubtedly dates back to the earliest phase of their acquisition. with their proven use of bots, who knows how many mouse droppings they've slipped in there. thus earlier is better, within reason.

>>24327

as I said above, it's about finding the balance between gathering old content and avoiding the Mouse. I'd say 2010 is at the early end of that range, while 2012 is at the late end, that leaves 2011 in between as a comfy window. May 4th is around the middle of the year, and it's meme-worthy.

and as you said, any nonsense dating back to 2011 can be removed easily, as that was before it metastasized.

>>24330

>>24333

Seems like our only good option at the moment. I'm going to try and set up the domain. If something better is found, we can always have that one as a sort of backup.

Okay. Interesting fact I just found out. Our wiki doesn't have to have the "miraheze" in its url. We can set up a custom url domain. What should we call it? I was thinking starwars-holonet.org or starwars-wiki.org, or anything along those lines.

Also the Wiki Name. Should it be the Star Wars HoloNet like the old one or the Star Wars HoloNet Wiki so people looking up Wookieepedia alternatives can easily look it up?

>>24338

What if you put "wiki" in the site's description for search engines? so it shows up as "Star Wars Holonet, the Star Wars Wiki" or something to that effect.

>>24338

Something like

>Imperial Holonet- The Unofficial Star Wars Expanded Universe/Legends Wiki

could work out pretty well.

>>24340

A bit of a mouthful, and saying we're unofficial makes us sound inferior to the Wookieepedians. Also including legends in the title would be using something of Disney note. The main would suffice in explaining that the wiki only covers non-Disney material.

>>24339

I'll go with this one.

Now its asking for a category. Among them, only two seem to fit with SW. Fandom or Fantasy with no scifi option. Which one should I go with or should I just stick with uncategorized?

>>24339

Ooh this!

>>24341

Fantasy I guess?

>>24342

I just hope the category can be changed later on… Anyway we still need a URL.

Here's what I've cooked up:

starwars-holonet.org

the-starwar-holonet.org

starwarsholonet.org

star-wars-euwiki.org

And also of note is that I just discovered that the url "starwars.net" is up for grabs. Should we see if the miraheze people will approve it?

>>24343

I believe we should try to grab starwars.net, if Miraheze will be omay with it. It's the cleanest url and it's a bit of slap in the face to the Diz.

>>24343

>And also of note is that I just discovered that the url "starwars.net" is up for grabs. Should we see if the miraheze people will approve it?

Is that even possible to get? That might even put us into conflict with Disney itself and they'd shut us down in an instant if they go out of their way to get the domain. As for a url name how about swwiki, swiki or sw-wiki.com/org? Like the transformers wiki.

>>24345

>swwiki, swiki or sw-wiki.com/org

These are great too.

>>24344

starwars.net is even more tempting if we can use it to slap The Mouse. We need more votes/thoughts on this.

>>24346

Could they actually shut us down over a URL? Part of me doubts that, but then again, it is The Mouse.

>>24345

This is a good point. It's probably best to steer clear of it, I'm just always for pissing off Disney.

It is more sensible to stick to a more distinct domain name.

>>24346

I can actually go ahead and research into the legality of it just to make sure if we would be allowed to use it to piss them off.

>>24347

>Unofficial is more for legal reasons, so it's clear we aren't associated with Disney.

Don't worry. I may not know legal jargon, but wikia had hundreds of unofficial wikis that didn't even use "official" in their titles. We can even say it on the main page that its a "fan-based encyclopedia", which is what most wikia wikis did. But the more I think about it, its probably for the best we don't use starwars.net. We could use starwars-wiki.org though.

http://www.starwars-wiki.org/

That one's not in use.

>>24350

Okay, so this is what I found:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anticybersquatting_Consumer_Protection_Act

This would be the big hurdle we would have to get over legally. It protects trademark owners from brand dilution throw confusingly similar domain names or from obtaining a domain with intent of selling it to the trademark owner at an inflated price. I need to look through it more, but this is what would hinder us getting .net.

>>24352

Through* not fucking throw

>>24347

>Having legends in the title is mostly for search results.

We can just add Expanded Universe somewhere and we'll get the same results. I used to work on a wiki and there's an option to add keywords to your wiki so it shows up more in search results, so we can add Legends there if miraheze gives us the same option Adding Legends would be like submitting to Disney. As for the unofficial part, what this guy said is what I'm going with except maybe add unofficial on the main page intro: >>24351

>Are there any plans to have a section for fan content/community continuity on the wiki? I've seen a couple of sites where stuff like that has worked out relatively well, and it be nice to have a central repository for stuff like separatist canon and 200 ABY anon works.

Of course. There's a way to easily divide fan content from the main content by creating a page with X: at the start. For example, we have a wookiee page, so to expand on that with new fanfiction that's compatible with pre-Disney lore, we just make a new page titled:

EEU: Wookiees

and it'll show up separately. If we wanna add or make something that's not compatible with lore, like some schmuck shows up in the future with some Chuck Wendig-tier fanfiction, then we can make a separate wiki exclusively for chaotic fanfiction for Chuck Wendig-like weirdos who are only interested in un-lore-friendly shit and shitty self-inserts. As for what EEU means, that's just a tentative title, which I'm calling Expanded-Expanded Universe, but better alternatives would be FEU: Fan-Expanded Universe or HEU: HoloNet's Expanded Universe. I'm more partial to the last one.

>>24352

Well shit, but thanks for informing us Thrawn trooper. So I guess that leaves us with the other safer options. So which url should it be? Should I set up a straw-poll or something?

>>24351

I always assumed that was due to Wikia having a vested interest in keeping all of those wikis around. Anyway, it turns out the following domain names are up for grabs.

http://www.imperial-holonet.com/

http://www.imperial-holonet.org/

http://www.holo.net/

http://www.imperial-archives.org/

http://www.ossuslibrary.net/

>>24352

Given how litigious Disney can be, I wouldn't be surprised if they took advantage of that law. Precedent doesn't really favor us.

>>24354

I'm aware, the Spore Wiki makes use of fan content namespaces extensivley. I believe all non-Maxis content had it's own Fiction:, Creature:, Planet:, etc prefixes there.

>>24355

Sure, go for it.

>>24355

No problem. It's unfortunate that the law was made as such, but what can you do?

>>24357

I like the simplicity of the first one. It feels more definitive to me.

>>24354

I like the name Holonet-EU, but it just has a nice ring to it in my opinion.

>>24357

>I'm aware, the Spore Wiki makes use of fan content namespaces extensivley. I believe all non-Maxis content had it's own Fiction:, Creature:, Planet:, etc prefixes there.

It did and that's something we can work with, but we'd be more limited in that we'd have to set up a guideline that states that everything has to follow the same standards of writing as all pre-Disney content and not add anything that go against the pre-established lore of a character or species like suddenly claiming that wookiees are actually ewoks who got separated from their fellow tribe and got stranded on Kashyyyk, or claiming that both the Empire and the Republic could put aside their differences for the sake of Equal Rights and gay marriage would be a definite out of place statement or remark within the setting as we knew it before Disney. In other words, keep shit reasonable and keep irl political and social shit out of it unless done in a way that's not blatant, soapboxy or retarded.

However if creating a whole new species/planet, you're free to write whatever you want about them as long as it stays within the style and standards of some lore prior to Disney. There would be a limit to how much fan content can be treated as official Holonet content of course for the sake of keeping the site reasonably sized (since imagine if that shit's still up 50 years from now and all the planets and species in the galaxy are filled somehow), then again that's unlikely so limitations or the writing of a proper guideline can be left up to you guys since this is already becoming too much for me to write out. Also of note is that the wiki's HEU articles should probably only cover new species, planets and histories that don't stray past the oldest or newest periods in the EU's history.

But again these are just suggestions and ideas on my part, as personally I think the HEU sections of the wiki should be for new lore ideas like expanding on missing points or connections in the EU, or expanding on species and planets, like tribes, races, laws, governments and whatnot, with more story-centric material being kept on a separate sister wiki, but its not up to me. Its all up to most of you and how we decide to proceed after we're done moving everything. If one of you does make a guideline (and hopefully a better one than mine), I'd appreciate it and it'd make a great addition to the wiki.

Also if I ever do add fanfic crap of my own, it'll mostly be food and zoology centered, as well as stuff relating to laws or cultural shit of a species/planet, like an idea I had about wookiees that live in the colder areas of Kashyyyk (the planet has what looks like a north and south pole in a lot of official pics) being more violent and having white fur with unique cultural tics that are pretty primitive, hence why they aren't seen offworld.

>>24357

Straw Poll it is then. But if not enough vote and the results are pretty close or tied, we could send the most requested results to mirahaze and have them pick one for us since in the end I think they decide which one is safest to use.

>>24362

Maybe this is a side effect of being one of the fags actually planning on writing, but I think information to be added to the wiki should be accompanied by a work. Maybe a short story, maybe a fan made comic or radio drama, but regardless, a work. Perhaps I am too restrictive to think that, but it makes it harder for little Mouse-loving Michael to write about the all gay Imperial owned system in 13 BBY.

But that's just my view.

>>24365

That's actually a good idea. Have someone actually create something of note that follows Star Wars and its lore well and also doesn't ham shit up. Like I said this guideline shit will need some serious work if we expect the wiki to offer interesting content. Also as another rule, I see a lot of fanon wikis usually use the picture of some shitty anime protag or some pre-existing thing for their fanfiction wikis instead of making something wholly original or just keeping it blank like actual authors do, so its best to have that kind of rule: No use of non-Star Wars images for your work or articles unless wholly original, either drawn by yourself or someone you hired. With shit like the Jeby, we might not need to set the artistic standard too high as long as it doesn't clutter the site's fan section.

https://www.strawpoll.me/16911176

Done. To the polls, senators. Time to make a vote.

>>24362

Those guidelines sound entirely reasonable. I suppose in the case of new aliens, it might be useful to have a rule that they can't be too potato-faced and aren't some low-effort furry sparkledog as well.

>>24365

Seems like a good system.

>the all gay Imperial owned system in 13 BBY

That could unironically work, but only if it was some Star Wars Tales/Tag and Bink-tier non-canonical comedy story. Like somebody has embarassing footage of Palps in high school, and blackmails him into giving him or her some shitty desert planets to convert into an interplanetary bad dragon warehouse.

>>24370

I would also not be opposed to changing the name a bit, but to something more ridiculous, but still pretty obvious like Gortalorta or something.

>>24372

either way I think it looks smoother when the url doesn't have the word "star wars" crammed onto it

some more possible "library" ideas

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Senate_Library

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Library_Galactica

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_library

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor%27s_library (Emperor's library)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Library

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galactic_Library

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Holocron_Library

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Room_of_Dark_Knowledge

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Archives

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sick_Life (???)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Archives_(Ossus)

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Gree_Enclave

and this one is really cheeky and kind of making fun of the disney bs while also using their own weapon against them

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sacred_Jedi_texts

"Shadowfeed" was also a possible holonet variation

more inspo:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Communications

>>24372

>>24373

>>24374

Ossus Library or some variation thereof sounds the best to me. THE SACRED JEDI TEXTS is tempting as a shitpost, but if we're making this for all EU fans, and not just anons, shitposting with the domain name might not be the best of ideas.

>>24372

Referencing something relatively obscure like Ossus is also a nice bonus.

>>24373

>either way I think it looks smoother when the url doesn't have the word "star wars" crammed onto it

That was my thought as well. Looks like it's got the majority of the votes so far though.

Of those name ideas, the Emperor's Library one and Sith/Jedi archives ones really stand out. Shadowfeed is a good one, especially as a play on the separatist canon and holonet stuff.

>>24374

I can't believe this one passed me byespecially after the Baobab Merchant Fleet flag was added to this board, but the Baobab Archives would also be perfect for this.

https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Baobab_Archives

>Owned by a prestigious merchant family (the Baobabs), the Archives contained information on galactic history, planets, languages, cultures, and hyperspace lanes. Numerous scientists, anthropologists, and philologists also found their way into the Archives' employ; in short, the Baobabs had established a group of scholarly minds as well respected as any comparable research foundation.

>In 520 BBY, the Ark of Baron Auletphant—lost in space for ten millennia—became part of the Archives.[1]

>Among the treasures there was the only surviving example of the epic poem Dha Werda Verda, discovered by Mungo Baobab.

>For numerous years, the Chief Philologist and head of the Baobab Archives was Ebenn Q3 Baobab. Through his efforts in this organization, the Baobab family was able to establish such institutions as the Baobab Archives Cultural Phenomenon Study Center, the Baobab Museum of Science, the Baobab Work Placement Bureau, the Baobab School of Speed-Learning, and the Baobab HoloNet.

>Atour Riten did his apprenticeship at the Baobab Archives.

>>24376

>Baobab

that's actually pretty good and clever even if "Baobab" looks like gibberish at first glance. I love it.

>Baobab School of Speed-Learning

top lel, we could make our own exclusive "tl;dr" articles for all the ADHDs with this. A unique idea, I don't think I've ever seen a fan wikia do that before. Just put them in their own tabs like the canon/legends crap in wookiepedia. a tl;dr for each wall of text.

>>24376

>the Baobabs

Oh fuck. This would've been perfect! The Baobabs were some of the most noteworthy chroniclers, entrepreneurs and adventurers in the galaxy, and even some guides were written from their perspective. So what should we do? Make a new poll with the Baobabs and the most voted results from the first poll? I wasn't originally for it, but the Baobab Archives or Ossus libraries sound tempting as the new site name.

>>24372

We can turn the HoloNet into a small news section on the main page.

>>24379

>I take it that would mostly be focused on community projects like game mods and the like? There's not really much going on with nuCanon right now anyways.

That and don't forget SWTOR is still going. We could also use it to talk about shit that negatively impacts Disney or better yet talk about irl shit involving the EU, like that one charity group that goes around spreading EU books to children's hospitals and whatnot. Because of that, the HoloNet wouldn't update regularly, but that just means less work.

Poll is done.

https://www.strawpoll.me/16911871

>>24381

I keep forgetting the TOR is still going. Personally I wasn't quite a fan of the direction it took with the lore and artstyle, but it is somewhat interesting that part of the old continuity is still ongoing. isn't some of the material from the FFG tabletop still using the EU too? Would it be worth playing that game still, or should I go for SWG with a server emulator project?

>like that one charity group that goes around spreading EU books to children's hospitals and whatnot.

They're doing good work. It is a shame that the media decided to smear them and failed to do their research about that troll page that claimed responsibility for scaring that actress off social media though. How have they been doing since then?

>>24382

Is it supposed to allow you to check multiple boxes?

>>24384

>isn't some of the material from the FFG tabletop still using the EU too?

That they are thankfully. I've actually been thinking about looking into SWG myself when I get some more free time.

>How have they been doing since then?

No idea, and that's the first I'm hearing of this. Fuck that fat chunk of noodles and her damn drama. Although, it probably wasn't entirely her fault. She was completely silent for months. It was those journalists going around witch hunting innocent fans.

>>24385

Wait what?

>>24386

Nice to know/

> She was completely silent for months. It was those journalists going around witch hunting innocent fans.

Yeah, I don't really blame her. Though she apparently bought the line the press was reporting.

>Wait what?

The strawpoll is saying "select all that apply", and it allows you to select more that than one option at a time. It's probably not an issue, but it's there.

>>24379

>>24372

Iirc, 'holonet' was chosen because 'holocron' was already taken on shoutwiki

>>24325

Why is /co/ always so terrible? Do cape comics contain some sort of mind virus?

Ossus Library and Baobab Archives are both great. eventually I decided in favor of Baobab, as I think the name should be neutral rather than specifically Jedi or Sith.

>>24412

Tabs sound pretty good

>>24409

I would place TCW in a containment tab, and expunge it from everywhere else. while that would also take manual sorting, it seems easier than structuring all the content around whether TCW is integrated or not.

also, this is stating the obvious, but I want to make it official: any and all Disney canon is absolutely verboten, haram, taboo, and forbidden on the wiki.

>>24410

Baobab archives is the best name and it fits in universe.

>>24419

NOICE

>>24419

A little cluttered, but I really like it, anon. Good job.

Also, I think tabs is a great way to keep clutter down.

>>24373

>either way I think it looks smoother when the url doesn't have the word "star wars" crammed onto it

It would also significantly reduce the chances of having the domain taken away from you by Disney.

Personally I prefer either the Imperial Holonet or the Ossus Library.

>>24377

>>24418

>that's actually pretty good and clever even if "Baobab" looks like gibberish at first glance. I love it.

>Baobab archives is the best name and it fits in universe.

I disagree. I see the purpose of this project to be twofold: one, to secure the original history of Star Wars against possible future corruption or deletion by The Mouse; and two, to act as a cultural bulwark against further expansion of the new canon. To work towards the second goal, we need to propagate the "Star Wars used to be better" meme, and provide both new and existing fans with the tools necessary to reference the old material. To put it bluntly, normies need to be able to quickly and easily recognize and remember the name of the wiki, because we'd rather have them use ours than Disney's. I don't think a title that looks like gibberish helps us here. Something more recognizably Star Wars would be better.

well in that case, did we get a chance to test if really obvious domains like http://www.starwarsarchive.net/ or .org are available?

>>24424

I agree, Ossus Library makes alot more sense as a name. Most people probably haven't seen Droids, so the name will turn off people from using the wiki. As much as I hate normalfags, right now Disney is on the decline, if we can seize the moment, we have the potential to be just under Wookieepedia, and rally the EU community on one website.

>>24428

never mind, I forgot about the risks involved

>>24429

I have to agree. I also would look into seeing if we could keep up good standings with the Bring Back Legends folk.

>>24424

I understand your point, really I do. But look at the Star Trek wiki. Its incredibly popular to the point where people making the shitty new movies and shows are taking cues from it, yet its name is an obscure term to normalfags "Memory-Alpha" which refers to the Federation's database and the largest known archive of collective knowledge in the setting that's not some super alien's brain or illusion. If fits with its purpose. Not to mention, the full title of their wiki is Memory-Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki, so ours would be "Whatever Etc, the Star Wars Wiki". And what better name than one of the largest archives in the SW setting? Either Ossus Library or Baobab Archives are perfect. The Imperial Holonet however has two major problems. One is that the Holonet is more of a social/news network with a lot of its info being controlled or limited to the public, and even more so under imperial rule, with Palpatine and the Sith's own libraries only caring about archiving their own histories rather than the collective of the galaxy including the jedi. The Ossus Library works, but then you have to consider the jedi might've been willing to hide information regarding sith. Even the Jedi Archives, which was the Ossus Library 2.0, was limited to jedi only, and even jedi had severe restrictions put on them regarding on what they could know and learn, with only jedi masters having access to everything. And Padawans needing permission from the chief librarian to read "questionable" material.

The Baobab archives even had divisions dedicated to study and learning which anyone could apply for regardless if they were force users.

>>24432

In my opinion Memory Alpha is no more obscure than Ossus Library.

>>24433

>Ossus Library as the wiki name and having the Holonet as the news section would be best.

I agree with this.

>>24433

If making the wiki appealing to normalfags is such a big concern then the project shouldn't even be launched here.

>>24435

It's not so much as appealing to normalfags, but to unite the scattered fragments of the old EU community into one wiki site. /sw/ is relatively new and unknown (as it should be), but if we want to stick it to Disney and become a thorn in their side, we need the support of groups like Twin Suns foundation and other groups. If they cuck out then fuck them cut ties, but it would benefit us in our anti-Disney crusade to help the wiki grow rather than making it obscure.

>>24437

I agree but using either Baobab Archives or Ossus Library as the url wouldn't make a difference since the header on the top of the browser and the search would still give the site name as "Ossus Library/Baoba Archives, the Star Wars Wiki", so the primary results when looking up star wars wiki would lead to the title of the site, not the url, and the full title would use Star Wars. Heck we don't even need to call ourselves a wiki. Just OL/BA, the Star Wars Encyclopedia/etc"

>>24434

>>24435

>>24437

>>24438

How about this: Since we're trying to appeal to pro-EU oldfags, let's go with Ossus Library, as Tales of the Jedi and KotOR are near-universally appreciated as classics of the old EU.

>>24441

> Unless the wiki itself is written from scratch it is essentially a wookiepedia fork. That will require us to give the wook credit, probably in the form of disclaimers in each and every page we move from there.

Nope. Its free content and you're allowed to copy whatever you want and they can't do jack. Countless wikis have moved away from Wikia and took their content with them without any repercussions. In fact there's a whole alliance made up of Shitendo wikis who are anti-wikia and they've been doing great since splitting from wikia and copying their info. http://niwanetwork.org/

>>24440

Yeah, but did the Ossus Library cover sith knowledge? The Baobab Archives wouldn't have trouble archiving all material and giving civilians a chance to browse their material.

>>24448

I thought Jedi libraries did have Sith knowledge, but restricted them to the upper echelons of the Temple.

>>24448

>Yeah, but did the Ossus Library cover sith knowledge? The Baobab Archives wouldn't have trouble archiving all material and giving civilians a chance to browse their material.

We aren't making the actual Ossus Library or Baobab Archives. We're choosing a brand to put on a project that's focused on saving and maintaining the pre-Disney EU. It has to be something recognizable.

>>24451

But we got such a nice logo already. >>24419

>>24456

Again, those were the wikis themselves that moved. We're not the wookiepedia community, looking for a new host.

>We don't need to give those fucks credit for writing about a property that isn't even theirs to begin with.

Well, good luck with that.

>>24459

>Again, those were the wikis themselves that moved.

No they weren't. A lot of them are still on wikia and only half the users or less of said communities ended up leaving. Others are just straight up rip-offs of said wikis like the Animal Crossing wikis, with most of these movers being the actions of one admin. The CC doesn't protect Wikia's written content. That's free to use and distribute regardless.

>>24459

>Well, good luck with that.

Worked just fine on the Shoutwiki. In the end it makes no difference since importing the material from Wookieepedia would automatically import the names of the users who contributed to said wikis, so they'd be getting their attribution.

>>24424

I prefer Imperial Holonet myself honestly. Seems more fitting considering most anons prefer the Empire/Sith to the Jedi.

>>24462

Judging from the poll, it seems more likely either Ossus or Baobab will win out. Yeah, Imperial Holonet is nice I guess, but Imperial sounds too exclusive. It works if we're just covering Empire related info but a name should be something that the old guard can recognize as a trusted ode to the original saga, not something to appeal solely to normalfags, and let me remind you that despite the hate normalfags have for Disney now, they still love TFA and Abrams and were never into the EU outside of Battlefront.

>>24459

I remember the first time a thread like this came up with some anons saying they were former wookieepedia editors and one being a former admin. Whether true or not, there's no doubt that Wookieepedia has lot as a lot of its regular users, including many admins after the Canon/Legends split, and even more so after TLJ. If the new wiki attracts them, it might as well be a move. And as this post said >>24461

importing content from Wookieepedia would also bring in the user pages of all the users there too, so they wouldn't go uncredited or forgotten.

>>24464

>Wookieepedia has lot as a lot of its regular users

*has lost a lot

Damn mobile.

>>24463

Sounds good, although I still prefer Ossus purely because of the source material, although the Baobab archives would probably be a more fitting name since they're likely still around in 140 ABY and thus would probably already have just as much, if not more knowledge than the old libraries while covering all the history of SW up until the Disney buyout, which would make their organization's name a more appropriate name for our wiki. But again, I really don't care about the name. I just want to know when OP will be back and when we can get a move on with this so I can start helping with the articles.

>>24463

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nar_Shaddaa/Legends

>Nar Shaddaa was the largest moon of Nal Hutta. More commonly known as the Vertical City, the Smugglers' Moon and Little Coruscant

>>Little Coruscant

lol, this is the type of shit I mean. There could be interesting, catchy phrases/slang in these articles that could easily be repurposed into the context of a memorable domain name

What do you guys think of the term Hutt Space? It sounds lawless don't you think?

>>24468

The Hutt Space archives? The Hutt Space library maybe?

>>24469

>Hutt Space Information Depository

I'm just kidding. I like Little Coruscant, but overall I still like Ossus Library as a name for the time being.

>>24469

>>24468

People don't typically associate the Hutts with compendiums of knowledge. That being said, we are outcasts living on the Outer Rim of the EU. We could also use some secret or hidden Imperial holdings, like the Maw Installation or Byss (or Sojourn like >>24472 suggested).

I'd still vote for something that's relatively neutral and carries an intellectual inflection, like the Ossus Library.

>>24454

It worked just fine for Smashwiki.

https://www.ssbwiki.com/Star_Fox_%28universe%29

https://supersmashbros.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Fox_%28universe%29

The Runescape wiki is less than a year old and they just copied shit over and names without any links back, and they're doing better than ever while even using the name of their IP without fear.

https://runescape.wiki/w/Penguin_Hide_and_Seek?action=history&dir=prev

https://runescape.fandom.com/wiki/Penguin_Hide_and_Seek?dir=prev&action=history

All they needed to do was import the History of the articles.

Hell, other wikis didn't even need to offer jack shit.

https://bakugan.wiki/wiki/index.php?title=BakuSuper_G&action=history

http://bakugan.wikia.com/wiki/BakuSuper_G?action=history

>>24473

>Sojourn

Great, no I'm torn between that and Ossus. Ossus resonates with EU veterans and that makes it a great choice, per >>24440, but I can just imagine the lulzworthy headlines Sojourn would generate:

>the Alt-Right have invaded Star Wars, and they named their website after a secret Sith library

>Anti-Disney manbabies are hiding out in Darth Plagueis' sanctuary. Here's why that's terrifying.

>>24475

I like it too, but don't forget, sidious hired the bando gora to drop a nuke in there (a nuke delivered by maul no less). I'm not sure if Plagueis had backups of his shit or his lab/library stuff. Are we gonna pretend that Sidious or some shadowy lunatics rebuilt the place later on and started hosting satanic gatherings in there again?

either way I prefer the connotations over what Ossus gives you. Sojourn may not be as well documented in the EU compared to Ossus, but as a location, it's overall more suspicious/unknown and it's more on the neutral side. I do really like it. I bet all variations of the domain are already taken however.

>>24474

Well technically there were at least a few admins at the helm for Runescape's move (not to mention they were lucky enough to get support from the creators of Runescape). The rest I can't say. But I do know that the worst Wikia can do is ban former admins from their site for shilling their move and badmouthing wikia. It happened to the admins of the Godzilla wiki when they moved to Wikizilla. As well as a wikia about Lost Media.

http://lostmediaarchive.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:16038

The GTA wiki and Doom wiki also got royally screwed by wikia back in 2010 and 2011.

https://www.grandtheftwiki.com/Grand_Theft_Wiki:Move_from_Wikia

https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_Wiki:Departure_from_Wikia

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/87153-why-there-are-so-many-forked-wikis/

But all instances had at least one admin at the helm. I can't say I know enough on the topic. I could try looking further into this. Personally, I used to be a major contributor on Wookieepedia but I was never an admin, so I'm not sure if that gives me any pull.

If someone can help me do research I'd appreciate it. All I know for certain is that we shouldn't use Star Wars in our URL.

this one is not a museum, a library, a temple, a school, or a secret base.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/500_Republica/Legends

but it's pretty comfy. Palpatine lived there for over a decade

>500 Republica was the most exclusive address on Coruscant.[5] It was home to thousands of Coruscant's wealthiest individuals, from Senators to celebrities to shipping and media barons. It held more people than some planets. From the very top, the most privileged of individuals could literally look down on Coruscant. 500 Republica became a symbol for the disenfranchised classes of the galaxy of the excess of Coruscant and the Galactic Senate. 500 Republica had its own security staff, the size of a small army,[1] and the building was protected by many discreet security armaments.[2]

patricians only

>>24482

also back on the topic of the Baobabs: I realized the Baobabs have their own world meme database:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Baobab_Archives_Cultural_Phenomenon_Study_Center

>>24481

So in the event that we could get fucked, assuming the Wookieepedia speds cared enough, could they shut us down? Because frankly wikia had tons of wikis under them that just copied shit off of wikipedia or used images without following the proper CC-BY-SA or GFDL standards, yet they got along fine for years, and still do. Then again, wikia has a lot of monetary pull. Our only options are to either throw caution to the wind and hope they don't fuck us over (which I'm skeptical about until we have more info or examples of unsuccessful forks) or make a whole new wiki from scratch. Then again, if we just copypaste older versions of the articles from as far back as 2010, the content would probably be different enough for the them to think its partly original. Any thoughts anyone?

>>24352

You seem to be quick on research. What's our legal status regarding this and are we screwed or not? Because the Shoutwiki was running just fine without any issues from Wikia.

>>24456

>The CC protected them from Lucasfilm's purging because they give credit to SW/Disney/etc.

I think that's shared under Fair Use not Creative Commons

>>24460

>The CC doesn't protect Wikia's written content

Then what does it apply to if not the wiki text? It outright states:

<text contained in Wookieepedia is licensed to the public under the Creative Commons

>A lot of them are still on wikia

It's worth noting that wikia refuses to delete abandoned wikis and will keep them artificially alive by hiring people. See wowwiki

>>24461

I know. I moved those articles. Mind you that was using a bot as a stopgap, rather than a data dump.

>>24476

>any fears you may have are a non-issue.

I hope so. Thing is, wikia's business model is monetizing their wikis for all their worth. And they pull shady shit within their domain like demoting and hiring admins to make moving away from them harder. When a bunch of people tried to establish an EU-only wiki within wikia it got deleted with some bullshit excuse. The wook is one of their biggest money makers and this project could undercut it.

I just want this to be airtight on the legal side, because I expect them to pull some shit rather than Disney.

>>24485

>Shoutwiki was running just fine without any issues from Wikia.

The wiki was dead, empty and virtually unknown

>>24485

Calling on the old Blue-Skinned Queer, eh?

I will do some more research just in case, however I don't believe we require any more. As Wookieepedia's content technically falls under the standard Creative Commons 3.0 and should technically be protect based on a law I cannot currently think of, we need only attribute information copied from their pages and have the paragraphs in our wiki fall under the same license. Regardless, wikia cannot fuck us over as their license gives a sort of open ownership to all writings collected on the site. We should be legally fine. Still, I'll do some extra research for reassurance.

>>24486

>I hope so. Thing is, wikia's business model is monetizing their wikis for all their worth.

This. 5 or so years ago, this wouldn't be an issue. People were ripping off or stealing content from even Wikipedia and Wikia without so much as batting an eye. The problem now is that Wikia has gotten ridiculously huge and is now working with the companies they once covered, becoming something akin to IGN to the point where they've now rebranded themselves to FANDOM. Wikia is pretty deadly right now and they've made sure to make site traffic for forkers difficult. This really wouldn't be an issue at all if we had some admins on our side or a good chunk of the wookieepedia community, which is what allowed places like the GTA wiki and Wikizilla to escape. And even though most of Wookieepedia's staff and older users have left, they still have quite a few admins left, including the original head honcho. I'm willing to help regardless of the risk, but what I can't stand is helping only to see our work get blitzkrieg'd by Wikia. Hell even Disney is sort of backing them now. We need to make sure our wiki won't get fucked over. The worst they can do is shut us down, but even that's a huge pain to know that our projects won't come to fruition.

>It's worth noting that wikia refuses to delete abandoned wikis and will keep them artificially alive by hiring people. See wowwiki

Just like they did with the Godzilla and GTA wikis. But they still can't stop the admins who left or shut down their new wikis despite copying over content made by users that weren't part of the move. Being former admins gives them some kind of protection… I think. We need to do more research.

Also, I think we should consult Jedipedia. http://fi.starwars.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Etusivu

They were able to move. But whether it was a community move is unknown to me as I can't speak finnish. I know one of you anons spoke to them before. Surely we can find out how they made their site work out.

OP where are you? We need you here mang

>>24488

Here's the law that defends wikis collecting and compiling information. It is worded for actual living beings, but a majority of it should apply. As long as we don't host illegal stuff on the wiki, rip too much text from commercial products, and maintain a stated goal with proper sourcing, we should be golden.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_privacy_law

>>24489

>The problem now is that Wikia has gotten ridiculously huge and is now working with the companies they once covered, becoming something akin to IGN to the point where they've now rebranded themselves to FANDOM.

Not to mention all that ad-revenue they have which is what alienated a lot of wikis. There's a reason why wikis were more scared to move after 2010, and its not just Wikia/FANDOM. There's a lot more policing online these days and butthurt faggots who will report you at the drop of a hat over nothing, along with all these damn new internet laws.

>>24491

This is all true. Regardless, the laws that allow FANDOM to compile other people's shit are the same that will allow us to copy a majority of theirs. While the internet is filled with legal grey areas, staying non-commercial and making the legality of actions crystal clear will be important.

>>24490

In addition to the fact that this law seems to leave us in the clear, there's one pretty simple fact about "wiki" style content that works in our favor: it can and does change in form several times of day, so there's no specific body of information on which wikia can make a copyright claim.

>>24490

Hold on…

>Data privacy is not highly legislated or regulated in the U.S.[16] In the United States, access to private data contained in, for example, third-party credit reports may be sought when seeking employment or medical care, or making automobile, housing, or other purchases on credit terms. Although partial regulations exist, there is no all-encompassing law regulating the acquisition, storage, or use of personal data in the U.S. In general terms, in the U.S., whoever can be troubled to key in the data, is deemed to own the right to store and use it, even if the data was collected without permission, except to any extent regulated by laws and rules such as the federal Communications Act's provisions, and implementing rules from the Federal Communications Commission, regulating use of customer proprietary network information (CPNI). For instance, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (COPPA), and the Fair and Accurate Credit Transactions

Hmm… It seems to check out. But I'm also too fucking lazy to read the rest outside of the US section.

>>24492

But does the IP law protect us from FANDOM's filthy copyright of documents? http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Copyright

I mean frankly they shouldn't even have ownership over this shit since the shit they cover isn't even owned by them. No wonder they're putting less emphasis on wikis and more emphasis on clickbait Fandom news articles.

>>24489

This. I trust the Thrawn trooper, but we should probably contact Jedipedia, or another major wiki that has moved… If anyone wants me to take the risk I'll do it. I can't speak finnish either, but Wikizilla is in english, so I can make an account there and ask them and I can keep it subtle, like say

<Hello Wikizilla admins. I am a former FANDOM contributor. Me and other users have become disillusioned with the wiki we once contributed on, even a former admin has (we don't want to give names for the sake of avoiding issues with the new admins in charge), so we were wondering if its possible to fork the wiki and start over there free of ads and importing content?

Or something along those lines.

>>24494

Actually, FANDOM's filthy list protects us.

>You may find that an outside source is using content from your wiki. This is acceptable under the Creative Commons license as long as they provide proper attribution on every article and link back to your wiki. There's an example of how to provide proper attribution in our Terms of Use here.

Will investigate the privacy act further so I can answer the former question more completely and accurately.

>>24495

Okay, I kinda see what you're getting at with the law not being super inforced in the U.S. The way it all works out still ends up in our favor. We are legal as long as we provide clear links to Wookiepedia on articles that we grab from them.

I see you guys have been busy. Best we study the legal details before proceeding for the sake of the future.

>>24495

That still requires that we credit them in some way by linking back to their wretched site. So yes, we can do whatever but we have to proved some sort of link crediting them, however we can solved this issue by putting the attribution at the bottom corner of the pages in a small template, unless of course there is a way around this.

I should mention that my exported version of their pages comes in XMLs file which includes the entire history of each page which is over 100,000 Legends articles. The real problem would be either reverting them all or adding the template to all the articles. To do this with no tedious work, we'd need a bot, and that would require someone with bot experience. Either way, seems like we're a little fucked. Then again, it looks like Wookieepedia might be in for a schism soon over the Breast article, so if that happens, we might be able to take advantage of the opportunity as admins would likely be alienated from the site, but this is just being overly optimistic. Our best chance is to copy everything, then find someone to create a bot which can revert the articles back to a pre-2012 state and then edit all the transferred content to include the link to the Wookieepedia pages at the bottom of articles for the pages that still look the same as their wookieepedia counterparts, and we'll need a bot before we even transfer content so as to have all the links set up on time before some faggot reports the site.

In the end, looks like Wikia might've fucked us over and we never even got to decide on a name. Our only other option would be to start from scratch or hope for a wikia schism…

>>24497

There's another solution, but it's a definitely a pain in the ass. I don't retain much knowledge of programming, but writing a script that add a link back to the Wookieepedia version of the article doesn't seem impossible, just a bit difficult. You could potentially try to only import things from 2012 prior, but I don't know realistic that it is and if it would require more manual work.

Right now, it seems our best bet is to privatize the site to the best of our ability until we can manually get a lot of that shit done to avoid legal crap or just write everything from scratch, which'd be much harder. I don't like linking back to them, but it is definitely the easier option.

lots to respond to…

as long as the edit history is included, we should be fine, as this would satisfy option C below. at most, we could include a byline linking back to wookiepedia or to an archived version of it, but I'm not sure if that's even necessary.

<As a contributor, you agree that being attributed in any of the following fashions satisfies the attribution requirements of the license applicable to your contribution to a wiki: a) attribution through a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to the article or articles you contributed to, b) attribution through a hyperlink (where possible) or URL to an alternative, stable online copy which is freely accessible, which conforms with the license, and which provides credit to the authors in a manner equivalent to the credit given on this website, or c) attribution through a list of all authors. Any list of authors may be filtered to exclude very small or irrelevant contributions.

I've had some involvement with the doom wiki, and I have a couple contacts on there who could most likely help with forking.

either baobab archives or ossus library would work – baobab is the best analogy, while ossus is more memorable. there may be an even better name lurking somewhere in the galaxy. also, maybe we could choose one primary name and use others as redirects.

many wikis have forked successfully, so I'm sure this could work. however, we should plan carefully, especially since Wikia has only gotten worse over the years. it makes sense to get it right the first time.

>>24497

Setting up a bot isn't all that hard. I used trial and error to get it to work on the holonet.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot

It's made for tasks like mass tagging.

Also, browsing a wiki with mandatory links to wookiepedia at the bottom is better than browsing the wook itself in its current state. It'll be worth it.

>>24502

Awesome! So as long as it has the history you guys can make the wiki right? I'm not a Wiki guy but if you guys ever need any crap work done like spell checking, images and shit like that I'll be happy to do that when the Wiki is up and running.

>>24505

As it is written, yes. We're in the clear by including the history.

So is the poll still up or has the name been decided already?

>>24382

>40 voters

Since when do we even have that many people on here?

>>24511

I suggest handling it similarly to how TCW is planned to be. Still, it takes place in a pretty big blank spot so it's really all we have for that particular stretch of time.

>>24515

I wouldn't be surprised if there were actually that many people here. After all, they don't have to all be posting at the same time.

>>24515

I dunno. We should keep an eye in case it's being fucked with. I'm comfortable with the Imperial-Holonet name and I hope we don't get divided over a name.

>>24514

As we settle down on things, we should periodically summarize the progress being made and put it in a sticky (or have the BO edit it into the OP if that's possible).

Like a quick rundown of the legal situation, the name and host or any active polls.

>>24514

Not a massive concern over the name myself either. While Im partial to the Imperial holonet name over an obscure (((merhcant))) clan I'd prefer anythign to an eternal gridlock over picking.

>>24515

Could be lurkers, this place does heat up a bit occasionally

>>24515

Maybe Wookieepedia rebels found out about us and want to help? I know I'm being optimistic as fuck.

Imperial Holonet sounds too normalfaggy though. Baobab Archives might be more fitting, but Ossus Library really sells it. Its something EU fags will flock too. Imperial-Holonet would just attract Disney drones now or in the future who will try to slowly convert the site from within after getting enough trust and followers as most SJWs tend to do. I used to edit on Wookieededia so trust me, you're better off with an obscure name like Ossus or Baoba that won't attract Disney or Lucasfilm's attention. Wookieepedia's name was way too likeable and easy for normalfags to latch on to and for Wikia bastards like Rhea to monetize.

>>24522

I think Imperial holonet would attract the right kind of people; ones who want to learn more about SW.

>>24520

Not Wookieepedia per se, but your discussion certainly grabbed the attention of quite a few fa/tg/uys.

>>24523

Not really. Remember that the stormtrooper is a cherished mascot, same with Vader.

There are definitely good arguments against the Imperial Holonet name and I do personally still really like Ossus Library.

However, regardless how the name ends up, we need to stay united in a sense. This isn't the hill any of us really want to die on, I imagine.

>57 votes

There's no way this shit is right. There's hardly ever more than 20 anons on here. Either rigging or someone's linked us to a more popular board.

>>24529

Now at 60.

I know /tv/ and /tg/ are here, but that's kinda fast.

>>24529

It is a little suspicious how stable the split between votes is right now. Everytime Ossus or Baobab overtake one another the other one gets a vote.

>>24529

>>24531

Don't worry about it. I've sent links to some colleagues of mine, and I imagine others have done the same.

>>24533

Sojourn isn't a bad idea at all, but it would necessitate yet another poll.

>>24532

The only thing worse than Disneyfags is fake Disneyfags.

>>24535

This is true. Normalfaggy stuff isn't necessarily bad, especially considering most that we don't want will already stereotype us before we have to deal with them.

>>24523

That's not how it works. Twitterspergs and sjws live in an echo chamber where the empire is automatically evil. But most normalfags still love the Empire and love the fuck out of Kylo Ren, Phasma, Snoke and the First Order while still hating the EU. They'll flock to us like flies. Ossus is the perfect balance between attracting the right kind of people and keeping away potential fags who would want to canonize shit like Phasma to the fanfiction tabs.

>>24539

Idk, I think the first time a normalfag goes to the website and see's people comparing hutts and muuns to hand wringing jews they'll be turned off well enough.

>>24535

It always kind of was. Of course, most people kept to the movies themselves and maybe a game or two- never really touched most of the books or tabletop stuff and likely still don't.

>>24540

I'm hoping that's enough to keep this project from going the way of SCP or gaming sites.

As long as the mods are good people, normalfag accessibility is a non-issue. I don't think it was an issue for wookieepedia pre-faggotry, and more hardened people like /sw/ should be able to handle it fine. Go big!

>>24539

Honestly, this is part of the reason I believe that we should stress that the fanfiction tabs need to be accompanied by a work.

I also wouldn't be opposed to finding someway to keep the combined fanon consistent if it's to be an extension of the EU as it was. We went over this in the old 8canon thread, but I'm still not sure of a true solution myself. I think having a group of respected members of the community review the works for signs of political pandering, inconsistent, ect. wouldn't be bad, but it could create a far too insular community. It needs further discussion on its own. I don't suggest putting it to a vote based simply on how controversial everything would be. Hell, we have trouble agreeing on a name.

>>24533

>ossuslibrary.net looks clean and sophisticated but the argument was that it might be too "jedi" (in the silly roleplaying sense)

We should just go with that. Clean and sophisticated is what we need. We're not LARPing here, this is a serious attempt to save what we love about Star Wars and escape Disney's bullshit.

>>24545

>election night 2020 all over again

>2020

Anon…I…

Wait, why can't we just do holo.net again?

>>24540

I thought this project was an untainted archive, not another shitpost central.

>>24548

If it's like most wiki sites there's going to be talk pages and the like I'm sure.

>>24542

This is the biggest thing for me personally. The name isn't as important as making sure the community is maintained and populated by non-pozzed members.

>>24549

>>24540

Shitposting and offense isn't the purpose of the wiki, its to serve a Disney-free archive of uncompromised Star Wars content that only covers the George Lucas period without Disney influence. If you're naming it Imperial Legion because you think it might offend some twitter fags, then that's the wrong way to go about it. An obscure name like Ossus ensures fellow old guard fans and EU fags that the place is Disney-free, not 8chan 2.0.

>>24551

I'm not saying it's the purpose of the wiki but it's inevitable that some of that imageboard culture is going to seep through considering the foundations.

>>24538

>Sojourn isn't a bad idea at all, but it would necessitate yet another poll.

there may be no avoiding that if the naming debate drags on. I'd be fine with baobab, ossus, or sojourn.

in fact, I have another idea, how about holocron.net or something similar? naming it after a data artifact wouldn't fit as well as a library, but it's neutral, as well as clean and memorable.

>>24553

Maybe, but we should be careful not to let shitposting run rampant.

>>24545

>2020 election

Don't you tease us like that flowwalker.

>>24552

I ignore the insult and continue praising the virtues of the site.

>>24553

>>24556

>>24551

Perhaps some inspiration can be taken from 1D4chan and the good old TFWiki.

>>24556

Someone could get a copy of vbulletin or lynxchan and have it up at forum.ossus-library.net or something if we really need to. Though I suppose that would likely end up being rather redundant as the core userbase would likely continue posting here.

>>24559

It was suggested earlier in the thread that we could have summary pages prefixed with "Baobab School of Speed-Learning:" for that very purpose while leaving the main articles largely serious in tone.

>>24559

1d4chan's ended up being a nice place (barring some pear-clutching faggotry that we did end up stamping out), but I think it's an example of just a touch too much of imageboard culture outside a *chan. The normalfags that found their way there ended up latching on to a couple of memes so they could feel like edgy channers, and started spamming them onto every page. Before you know it every page has a couple dozen "HERESY! *BLAM*" strewn through it and hyperlinks to several other places.

>>24560

Probably, but I think it would be an important measure to let it be its own thing. We don't want it inseparable from, we just need it to be free of Disney shillery.

>>24559

>the good old TFWiki.

Oh hell no. They removed all their more offensive humor and Kiss Player jabbing, and some of their admins are trannies. Not to mention a whole bunch of them are Steven Universe fans now.

>>24567

This. We don't need anymore unnecessary changes and a focus on shitposting. Its a place for appreciate of Old Wars to thrive and for creativity based on it to prosper. It should be project made with passion in mind rather than shitposting.

>>24567

>>24568

I gotta agree.

>>24566

>removed

Yes, faggot, I meant before that stupidity. Fuck, you think I don't know about that shit?

>>24567

But yeah, aside from the "speedlearning," keep it mostly clean and beige.

>>24568

I agree, keep the shitposting to /sw/.

WHere are you guys even voting?

>>24572

https://www.strawpoll.me/16911871/r

This poll. Seems like it got lost in the discussion.

>>24572

>>24382

>>24573

>+100 votes

Bravo

>>24570

>"speedlearning,"

I knew this meme would catch on fast.

>>24572

Its right here >>24382

Damn it. Also how can we still not have a result? At this rate this stupid site will never be up.

>>24573

>>24575

It's pretty clear there's a small group of autists competing to try and get their choice to the number one spot at this point.

I'll post this again because it remains important to me.

We can't be fighting over a name. If this is what divides us, then we've already failed in our goals.

We need to set a cut off date for the voting and then stick to the winner. We will gain nothing by bickering internally.

>>24577

Ossus overtook Imperial, dubsman, so we might be on that one. I wanted Baobab, durn.

>>24577

>>24578

>>24579

>>24580

>>24581

Give the BO immediate emergency powers.

>>24578

>>24577

Perhaps the results should have been counted earlier, or the poll closed. I'm willing to roll with the results though.

>>24580

There's nothing keeping the unused names from being utilized by affiliated projects in some modified form, so keep that in mind if the site manages to catch on.

>>24583

I'm getting strong Gungan vibes.

>>24585

This is a really good point as well. We can always do later stuff with the unchosen names.

>>24584

Enjoy your time here, anon. It'll probably work out.

>>24583

Great Bordo!

Personally Ossus Library has the best ring to it. But as other have said, there's more important things that need to get done, bickering over a name is rather pointless in the grand scheme of things if the project doesn't even get off the ground.

>>24590

Honestly, past experiences have already confirmed that for me, but I didn't suggest it, nor do I like it.

official thread theme

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but there's never been an Imperial Holonet. Only Imperial Holovision. So the wiki's already goofing up by starting off with a name like that. Even Star Trek's wiki knows to use an official name of an archive from their setting.

>>24595

I mean it essentially became the Imperial Holonet after the formation of the Empire.

>>24594

>>24595

It technically isn't wrong, as the holonet was in control of the Empire- so the name fits. There technically wasn't an network called American ARPANET, but calling it that wouldn't be inaccurate. plus, Imperial Holonet just sounds good. Seems to mostly be splitting hairs.

>>24595

Ossus it is, then.

>>24599

I think adding Sojourn would help. This next poll needs to be the last one.

All in favor of giving the Supreme Fatso (Chancellor Bordo), emergency powers say "Ayy lmao". Those against, "neigh" like a horse. There. Problem solved. I wanted it to be called the Star Wars Holonet…

Ayy lmao

>>24599

Let's just do Ossus-Library.org and move on. This is becoming ridiculous.

>>24599

Personally I'm in favor of having Baobab Archives or Ossus Library as the domain name, with Holonet/Shadowfeed being a news section on the frontpage or a community site on the same domain.

>>24601

ayy lmao

What's your opinion on matters so far, Bordo?

I do wanna voice my support for giving the ultimate choice to Bordo for simplicity.

I say we give control of the banks back to the Muuns.

>>24372

A reminder that this was Bordo's last correspondence on the matter.

>>24612

That was before Imperial-Holonet was on the poll though

>>24612

Let's just roll with Ossus then. Bigger fish to fry and all that.

>>24607

Ayy lmao

Tie Breaker or poal.me poll with Star Wars Holonet taken off and Sojourn added are the best options at this point.

OSSUS.

Though it's not my favorite, I can tolerate Ossus, it's not shit unlike Baobab, which sounds like a Bonsai Tree website

I vote Ayy because I want Bordo to get his miserable ass in here and ban the /tv/ shitposters before they fuck up the thread. Not to mention that this wiki is our biggest undertaking and will define how our board and our franchise progresses beyond what Disney has restricted us to.

I can't believe you faggots let a perfectly good thread go to shit over a fucking name. Should've just stuck with Star Wars Holonet from the start.

>>24625

That kind of exceptional behavior isn't helping. It doesn't matter what the name ends up being. We just have to work together. Also, how could Ossus suck? It was an awesome planet and the home of Star Wars Dagoth Ur Odan-Urr.

>>24629

>That kind of exceptional behavior isn't helping. It doesn't matter what the name ends up being. We just have to work together. Also, how could Ossus suck?

It's pretty clearly just a shitpost we're at an absolute standstill until Bordo makes a decision so there's not much else to do.

>>24599

My pick is Ossus Library. But getting this shit resolved one way or the other is more important.

>>24601

Ayy lamo.

We should encase /tv/ shitposters in carbonite and make a gift of them to Bordo.

>>24633

They're no good to us banned.

>>24599

>>24600

these

>>24399

I think 'holocron' is being neglected. it could work very well as a name – it's neutral, memorable, and relevant. the only downside is that it's named after a data artifact rather than an archive/library, but that shouldn't be a big deal. maybe holocron.net

>>24562

>>24618

the finalists should be:

imperial holonet

ossus library

baobab archives

sojourn

holocron

>>24643

I prefer this standard look. Main symbols shouldn't be overdesigned.

>>24645

Damn, this looks neat.

>>24645

Baobab Archives wasn't my first choice, I'll say that much at least, but this banner is kinda changing my mind.

>>24647

just pick one damn it

>>24649

>>24647

Yes, just pick one Bordo.

>>24647

>If anything the Givin anon is the one leading this operation so he should be the one to decide.

We don't even know when he'll be back. Stop beating around the bush Chancellor and make a choice.

>>24648

I'm willing to accept this as your official choice. Who else here's with me? Fuck Democracy sucks. This should be a Republic.

>>24648

We'll make decent OC for whatever you end up picking.

Please just be King for a moment and choose.

>>24664

BAOBAB IT IS

Well it may have been the worst name but at least it's finally a name.

>>24668

I agree the first one looks better the "Star Wars" looks awkward being off to the side like that.

>>24670

ok, but do you think the logo should be just a tad bigger on the old comp? I was looking at the thumbnail on my post and started having second thoughts. If it's fine, then no problem.

anyway the logo will probably have to be recropped or adjusted a little bit again, since we don't know the exact required banner dimensions on mediawiki yet

>>24675

Let's not drag this out more than it already has. We've wasted enough time.

>>24664

Thank you, Bordo.

>>24676

I like it, but the problem is people will think we're a tree encyclopedia, which is why Ossus Library was probably the better choice. Ossus Library probably even had more info than the Baobab Archives. I mean, I still like it, I'm just afraid we'll be joked about, unless we can twist that in our favor.

>>24680

Anon, calm the fuck down. We'll be laughed at regardless. I preferred Ossus too, honestly. But you know what I like even more than that name?

MOVING FUCKING FOWARD

We have idiotically squabbled over the most stupid shit for the past day. It's time to just move the fuck on. Yes, we all have subjective preferences, but if we fracture over a name, we might as well just right Gawker and Vice and tell them we are as petty as they like to paint us.

>>24681

Write*

My bad, I just woke up and I'm in a bad mood.

>>24681

>for the past day.

Its actually the 26th. We've been needlessly squabbling over a name for 2 days.

>>24681

Fair enough.

>>24683

Well fuck. I hope the Givinfag hasn't run off.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Archives_%28Ossus%29

Reminder that the Ossus Library was later restored by Luke.

>>24687

Note that I'm just pointing this out because some anons here said it was permanently destroyed. Not because I want this dumb argument to keep going.

Let's just carry on, once we have a site going, we can change over to another URL as needed.

Well then, with the name out of the way, what's the next order of business?

>>24690

*IF we ever need to

>>24379

>Even if he was more or less an 80s Kyle Katarn-lookalike

Technically, Kyle Katarn was a 90s Baobab-lookalike.

>>24691

We wait for the Givinfag to get back and let him know we've come to a decision.

>>24690

Exactly. We were all arguing over something that could be easily changed anyway. Who knows, maybe we can even claim ownership of all three urls.

baobab is a step into the unknown but it's also OG and could work if we roll with it and twist the joke in our favor:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Baobab_School_of_Speed-Learning

quick rundown/basic gestalt for every larger than life character bio

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Baobab_Archives_Cultural_Phenomenon_Study_Center

world meme database

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Baobab_HoloNet

dark web

So, what's a good tag line?

>The Baobab Archives - Dedicated to George Lucas' Star Wars Films and the Original Expanded Universe