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Like, pleasure is always felt when a desire is destroyed through completion and is no longer here, or when there is nothing more left to desire.

And lesser pleasure is felt when one desire captures and decreases the activity of a chaotic mind.

And even if you define pleasure as any sensation experienced when the mind is at rest, it doesn't change how the system functions?

>>66218

Having desires regularly is part of being human. Don't destroy your humanity along with your desires. And some desires, such as the desire for a croissant, are easier to satisfy than to suppress.

>>66217

Rest

period of relaxing

3) [countable, uncountable] a period of relaxing, sleeping or doing nothing after a period of activity

Pleasure

pleasure can come from something that you do or something that happens:

Patterns

■ to do something for fun/​pleasure/​enjoyment

■ great fun/​pleasure/​enjoyment

■ to have fun/​a good time/​a great time

■ to get pleasure/​enjoyment from something

■ to spoil the fun/​somebody’s pleasure/​somebody’s enjoyment

→ see related entries: Happiness

>>66232

Happiness and relaxation are like wetness and water.

>>66231

Indeed, and the less desires a human tends to feel, the happier and stronger they become.

>>66236

In fact, to be strong in the literal sense, one must regularly experience the desire to train, to regularly do strength training with weights, and the desire to become the strongest in one's area, even if that the area is small, such as an apartment building. Buddhists, with their suppression of desires, usually consider such desires undesirable and suppress them, and therefore they are not strong.

Why do you associate meditation with suppressing passionate desires? I simply meditate, calm my thoughts, and feel no connection with suppressing desires.

>>66209

>Are there any proven benefits of meditation?

Yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbLEf4HR74E

>>66239

You should. https://puredhamma.net/living-dhamma/essential-buddhism/breath-meditation-addictive-harmful

>>66244

Buddhists do not have copyright on meditation. Not everyone meditates to suppress the desire to win a 150-square-meter apartment in the lottery.

>>66247

The mind will go wherever it wishes to go.

To keep it still, you have to keep showing it the downside of every desire it brings.

So… Yeah.

Suppressing desires is exactly how most everyone meditates.

>>66237

In terms of strength, the one who loves training is the highest. For when he trains, he has nothing left to desire and can experience happiness and peace brought by his lack of desires…

And Buddhists wish to raise above the gods… This can't be achieved by repeatedly damaging and healing a piece of meat, unfortunately.

>>66248

One of God's tasks is to decide whether a desire is worthy of fulfillment or not, and if so, to make the necessary changes so that the desire is fulfilled. Buddhists cannot do this; they are too busy suppressing desires, all desires indiscriminately, which is why even a Buddhist's cat is sad and goes hungry. I believe that Buddhism was often used in the past to suppress the will of peasants and thralls, so that instead of defending their own rights, they would sit back, suppress their desires, and remain at the bottom of the social pyramid.

>>66248

>Suppressing desires is exactly how most everyone meditates.

I'm not so sure about that. There are many methods of meditation. Meditation is known in Buddhism, Hinduism, Shinto, Confucianism, Taoism, Sikhism, and, incidentally, the Celtic horned god is traditionally depicted in a meditative pose and perhaps there are another faiths who use meditation.

>>66248

>And Buddhists wish to raise above the gods…

You cannot jump over steps. If a Buddhist has not risen above human nature, at least to the level of a demon, then the level above God is as far away from him as Australia is far from a penguin.

>>66248

>>And Buddhists wish to raise above the gods… This can't be achieved by >>repeatedly damaging and healing a piece of meat, unfortunately.

I'm not sure there's anyone above the deities. I met a Buddhist monk who didn't know the language of the country, but he asked for alms. I didn't let him starve to death, but he was a fool because in order to receive alms, he needed to at least know the language of the country and be able to explain why he should be given alms. In my opinion, this monk would have been much happier if he had been a worker at the Ford factory. He did not look like a man who was so arrogant that he wanted to rise above the deities. I don't know if deities exercise, so I'm not so critical of fitness.

>>66250

>One of God's tasks is to decide whether a desire is worthy of fulfillment or not, and if so, to make the necessary changes so that the desire is fulfilled.

Is this what happens when a sect of pedophiles decides to abduct, rape, and eat a child? How sad. But you know what?

There's that thing called science… When you study how something works and then utilize it in accordance with its nature… It turned out to be pretty efficient, didn't it?

As in, whoever acts in this manner, your god never comes down from the sky to oppose. Regardless of their morality and faith.

And Buddhism, in case you didn't know, relies on doing exactly this. It requires understanding how the mind works and utilizing the same functions we observe in our daily existence.

And your god… Who stops neither pedos nor Buddhas… Something tells me he won't be very insistent on opposing me either. I'm willing to bet on it…

>Buddhists cannot do this; they are too busy suppressing desires, all desires indiscriminately, which is why even a Buddhist's cat is sad and goes hungry.

Buddhists were supposed to separate all desires into useful, useless, and harmful… And treat them accordingly, even cultivate some of them. But I forgive you not knowing this.

>I believe that Buddhism was often used in the past to suppress the will of peasants and thralls,

Suppressing peasants by… Teaching them to neither work nor fight for their master? Since the lifestyle of a worker makes it almost impossible to reach enlightenment, and war is the road to Hell? And creating an institution that helped countless peasants escape their fate and study magic and cultivate happiness instead?

What is this, communist propaganda? Shouldn't you start with erasing history before rewriting it?

>>66255

>>And your god… Who stops neither pedos >>nor Buddhas…

Firstly, ideas about the appropriate age for marriage change from century to century. In the 12th century, the marriageable age for a Byzantine princess was 15, and for commoners it was even lower. Your Buddhas didn't stop pedophiles either.

There are always those who are attracted to forbidden fruit, regardless of its quality. No matter how the law is written, there will always be those who want to break it.

>>66255

>Buddhists were supposed to separate all desires into useful, useless, and harmful…

This requires wisdom. And Buddhists have little of it. I have met many Buddhists in my country who meditate intensely, but they know neither Sanskrit nor Tibetan languages, and they do not compile dictionaries because they have suppressed these desires. They are not wise.

>>66255

>And your god… Who stops neither pedos nor >Buddhas… Something tells me he won't be >very insistent on opposing me either. I'm >willing to bet on it…

If you have the audacious desire to rise above the deities, you may be ridiculed and punished, and you may be punished for it in this life or in the next life, for example, by being born into an unfavorable conditions.

>>66255

>and war is the road to Hell?

War is a useful thing for young men to mature. War tests the qualities of mind, body, and soul.

>>66255

>Since the lifestyle of a worker makes it almost impossible to reach enlightenment

According to Buddha teachings, in order to achieve enlightenment, one must live several lives, more than 30 lives. A person who has become a Buddhist monk for the first time in the last 100 lives and lives in a monastery will not be enlightened. One life is not enough for this.

>>66255

>There's that thing called science… When you study how something works and then utilize it in accordance with its nature… It turned out to be pretty efficient, didn't it?

I like the scientific method of cognition myself. But science is too dependent on funding and the political weather. In addition, I regularly encounter phenomena that official science does not believe exist. By the way, there is also secret science, and there are also unofficial parts of science, and there are also those sciences that official science does not believe in. And not everything can be verified by experiment. You cannot prove or disprove the existence of a meteorite falling from the sky in a laboratory.

>>66255

>>Suppressing peasants by… Teaching them >>to neither work nor fight for their master? >>Since the lifestyle of a worker makes it >>almost impossible to reach enlightenment

In reality, here on the planet Earth, there are not many enlightened people, so it is difficult to compare and understand whether it is worth achieving this and how to do so. Aristocrats who did not work did not become enlightened. Besides, work varies; perhaps some types of work lead to enlightenment.

>>66255

Suppressing desires does not bring happiness. And if a desire is difficult to fulfill, it gradually fades away on its own, without any help from Buddhism.

>>66209

10 Science-Backed Benefits Of Meditation

* Stress Reduction

* Anxiety Management

* Depression Management

* Lowers Blood Pressure

* Strengthens Immune System Health

* Improves Memory

* Regulates Mood

* Increases Self-Awareness

* Helps With Addiction Management

* Improves Sleep

https://www.forbes.com/health/mind/benefits-of-meditation/

>>66255

>>One of God's tasks is to decide whether a desire is worthy of fulfillment or not, and if so, to make the necessary changes so that the desire is fulfilled.

>

>Is this what happens when a sect of pedophiles decides to abduct, rape, and eat a child?

Are you drunk or something? Do you want to forbid people from sinning?

This thread touched on the side topic of cannibals eating children. I consider such an act to be a sin and unethical. However, I would like to remind you that in year 2026, there are 8.3 billion people living on the planet Earth. And, apparently, there is a trend toward population growth among humans. This could potentially lead to wars, famine, and economic disasters.

>>66209

>Are there any proven benefits of meditation?

Neurobiological Changes Induced by Mindfulness and Meditation

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11591838/

Conclusions

(…) It emphasizes increased cortical thickness within emotion regulation and sensory processing areas, reduced level of anxiety, and improved regulation of emotions. Mindfulness also enhances the functioning of the brain through improvement in connectivity and increasing neurotransmitter systems, hence improving mood and reducing anxiety.

Is this god, whom Buddhists call Buddha, active at all? Does he intervene in the lives of people on the Earth, or has he suppressed all desires in himself in accordance with Buddhism, and therefore is completely useless to humanity on Earth?

>>66273

Buddha is a guy who discovers the theory of codependent origination, derives the noble 8-fold path from it, and establishes an institution that teaches it to living beings.

Once he enters nirvana, he stops interfering with the world, so there is no reason to ask him for help. Thus, if you have to ask for help, you should target his organization.

Which may extend beyond the limits of this planet.

Lack of desires doesn't immediately pull you into nirvana.

When your desire gives birth to some energy, that energy can't be erased at will and, regardless of your wishes, always keeps existing for some time.

This way, even if you no longer perceive anything as desirable, you can still have some energy.

>>66259

>War tests the qualities of mind, body, and soul.

Indeed. When the local warlord orders young men to abandon their morality and justice and act as his mindless tools, killing and plundering wherever he desires… And his minions kill or torture whoever disobeys.

Few can resist.

>>66260

>According to Buddha teachings, in order to achieve enlightenment, one must live several lives, more than 30 lives.

Oh no! But wait, according to Buddha teachings, the number of lives every human has already lived approaches infinity! Oh yes!

…just kidding, having to practice for several lives to achieve "enlightenment" isn't a thing Buddha really taught. Even if some people might need several additional lives to achieve "nirvana," because they have too much attachment or due to getting killed.

>>66261

>not everything can be verified by experiment

Science requires evaluating theories by how much predictive power they have. If a theory can predict the appearance and movement of a meteorite with perfect accuracy…

And yes, this count of prediction should count as an experiment since it's perfectly capable of falsifying a theory.

>I regularly encounter phenomena that official science does not believe exist

You'd be surprised if you knew how much science actually knows of such things… Blame your luck for your leaders deeming it insufficiently profitable for a school program inclusion.

>>66262

>Besides, work varies; perhaps some types of work lead to enlightenment.

Not the profitable ones.

>>66263

>Suppressing desires does not bring happiness. And if a desire is difficult to fulfill, it gradually fades away on its own, without any help from Buddhism.

Happiness is when you have nothing left to desire.

Suppressing harmful desires with useful desires is, of course, unpleasant, but, done correctly, it does bring happiness once they are finally gone.

And even if it might happen accidentally, happiness is a rare state on this planet.

>>66265

>Do you want to forbid people from sinning?

I want you to stop threatening people with a god that never does anything noticeable and acts as if he didn't exist.

>>66266

>And, apparently, there is a trend toward population growth among humans.

A trend toward population growth? Have you missed the leadership of the most advanced countries trying to fix low birth rates by importing massive amounts of people from… less civilized cultures, and all the issues it has brought?

>>66274

If it makes no sense to ask the Buddha to get rid of my relative's tobacco smoking, then how do Buddhists do it? In the case of other religions, a believer can ask god, for example, the Lord God Voden, to intervene, to make a beneficial effect, to get rid of the dependence on tobacco smoking on that person. And what does a Buddhist do in such cases?

>>66275

>Happiness is when you have nothing left to desire.

Happiness is when you dreamed, for example, to change your hair color, dreamed, read about this topic, made efforts, spent resources, and finally achieved it, that's when it's happiness. And when you betrayed your dream, just strangled your dream with a garrote and achieved nothing, this is not happiness.

>>66278

It do be like this sometimes. But…

Take a new child, for example.

When they want something, they cry. Why? Because wanting is painful.

Then, when you give them what they want, they laugh. Why? Because removing the source of pain is pleasant.

But when you distract them, they also laugh. Why? Because it doesn't really matter how exactly the source of pain is removed.

But as people grow older, they become scary good at maintaining focus, almost impossible to fully distract. Jokes do work for a bit, but they also become less and less efficient with time. Leaving them with only 1, at least 1 method to deal with the source of pain… You'd think.

But, as anyone who's had some experience with life should know, realizing desires also stops being a reliable way to achieve happiness after some time. And instead of happiness, it can bring emptiness, due to not focusing hard enough or bodily inertia (when the body adapts to being painful)…

And in the end, when people grow very old, generally… Only those who rediscover how to keep themselves happy through artificially avoiding all unnecessary desires manage to be happy.

And Buddhism is, basically… Learning this same trick early and taking it to the greatest height possible. Don't you think so?

>>66277

As explained, if you need some actual physical help from a sapient being…

And aren't doing it just for the sake of cultivating a useful worldview or to force your own mind to influence your relative through sheer persistence…

You can ask the Buddha's organization, his enlightened disciples who cultivate psychic powers and postpone or can't enter nirvana yet.

I'm a bit doubtful that many would be willing and capable of thoroughly mind-raping your relative just because you've asked… But it isn't like asking a random pagan deity would make much of a difference.

>>66280

>>66280

>mind-raping your relative just because you've asked…

I wouldn't call it that. Incidentally, advertising regularly tries to do mind-rape, and few people object. And if my cousin quits smoking tobacco, he will live longer, it will give him more than 15 years of life

>> But it isn't like asking a random pagan deity

All gods are pagan. The Jews have their pagan Jewish god. The Muslims have their pagan Arab god. The Christians have deified Jewish men and Jewish women.

>>66280

>You can ask the Buddha's organization, his enlightened disciples who cultivate psychic powers and postpone or can't enter nirvana yet.

I can ask a local Christians; I'm sure they would help. I've read about successful cases like this, but I fundamentally disagree with Christian morality and don't want the side effects of poor Christian morality to affect my cousin.

>>66279

>>But, as anyone who's had some experience >>with life should know, realizing desires also >>stops being a reliable way to achieve >>happiness after some time.

Throughout their lives, people regularly experience emotions from the spectrum of emotions. Humans are not designed to experience happiness all the time. It would be inhuman to feel happy all the time, especially when reading news about sad events.

>>66279

>Only those who rediscover how to keep themselves happy through artificially avoiding all unnecessary desires manage to be happy.

Rather, they kill their willpower, their will to live, and become soulless. Have you heard that Buddhists don't believe in souls? There's a reason for that.

>>66280

>mind-raping your relative just because you've asked…

Dude, it's called praying for another person's health and for him to be freed from a harmful habit that no scientist has written anything good about in 150 years. Such prayers have been practiced since time immemorial. Yes, it's one person's attempt to influence another through an intermediary, so what? Is that something new? It's always been that way.

>>66209

Buddhists lost Tibet. Over 5,000 years, Buddhists failed to understand that a warrior defending Buddhism and a Buddhist sage cannot be the same person. Buddhism is foolish.

The desire of Buddhists to experience happiness all the time is an attempt to deceive the deities, an attempt to get into paradise, which many of them do not deserve, and this attempt is not much different from the attempt of a narcotic addict to be under the influence of narcotics all the time. In essence, the goal of Buddhists and narcotics addicts is the same—to be happy all the time, while ignoring everything else in the world.

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>>66283

>>66287

Wanting to be happy is the most natural thing for a human. Wanting to suffer, thinking that suffering is necessary, however, is a sign of confusion.

>>66284

The problem with "soul" is that people who use the term often fail to define it… And those who do define it tend to disagree with each other.

>>66286

Buddhism isn't a country, you know? And it is still practiced in Tibet, and many places it would have had less of a presence otherwise… I understand making sacrifices for a worthy goal, but the goal has to be worth it.

>>66209

I feel like meditation sort of turned me into an emotionless zombie, but at least im happy basically

>>66296

As far as I know, there are more than 15,500 types of meditation, and they all have different effects on the meditator. Mudras have meaning. The music that plays is important. The mantras that are recited by others while you meditate are important. If you meditate on an image, it is important, and there are an infinite number of images. And by the way, if this image is worshipped by lighting a fire or incense, that is also important. Even the type of incense is important.

>>66296

>I feel like meditation sort of turned me into an emotionless zombie

you can try the mantra of compassion, Om mani padme hum, but if you listen to it and say it too much, it's hard to even watch the TV news, tears flow from the cruelty of the news.

>>66296

>>I feel like meditation sort of turned me into >>an emotionless zombie, but at least im >>happy basically

"If a person is satisfied with everything, then he is a complete idiot. A healthy person with a normal memory cannot always be satisfied with everything."

Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, multiple-term President of the Russian Federation

Been practicing for a few years now. Something interesting I've noticed - in deeper states, there's often a golden/yellow quality to the visual field. Almost like the mind's eye has its own sunrise. Some traditions actually associate gold with the transition from ordinary awareness to deeper states. Worth exploring if you're getting into this. The science is solid but the subjective experience is where it gets really fascinating.

In deep meditation, some report seeing golden banners unfurling behind their eyelids. The ancient texts speak of this - when the yellow light appears in stillness, transformation approaches. These visions have increased in the last year. Time folds when you see the flags.

>>66395

To be honest, if this is an achievement that took six months of meditation to achieve, it doesn’t impress me. Because there’s no practical use for it.

>>66395

>transformation approaches.

What sort of transformation?