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0325e3 No.10431 [Open thread]

Okay, this is epic.

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ff1528 No.10490

literally who?

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6c4ae5 No.10497

>>10431

Come on man this isnt /christian/. We dont want this kind of low quality bait here

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079200 No.10507

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>>10431

almost as epic as this

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3c55ee No.10674

>>10497

this. OP you need to work harder and maybe then you can master baiting

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01a61b No.10682

Indeed, very based:

>>10431

>Protestants:

>"You're going to Hell."

>>10507

>Muslims:

>"You're going to Heaven!"

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46f185 No.10449 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

>God creates everything

>God knows everything

>God loves us

The three of those statements cannot exist at the same time. The issue here is that if God knows everything and creates everyone, he already knows which of his creations will go to heaven or to hell before he even creates them (predestination). Now if God creates a person who he already knows will spend an eternity in hell, he obviously does not love that person. Yet he mass produces people who are literally born to die and go to hell. Why would a loving God do this? There are two options. Either God does not love us or he does not know everything. The only way an all powerful God can justify the creation of hellbound people is if he himself does not know what choices that person will make in their lifetime that lead them towards heaven or hell. If that is true however he is no longer all powerful.

So. Is God all powerful, or does he love us? Or can anyone here begin to rationalize an argument that he can accomplish both? Prove me wrong.

(I embrace the coming shitstorm and shouts of heresy among anyone here who is not a calvinist or diehard catholic)

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72918f No.10567

>>10566

Ultimately, God determines what is good.

However, good means "that which eliminates suffering, physical and spiritual."

The commandments God gives us reduce our physical suffering, and following them is good.

Believing on the Lord Jesus reduces our spiritual suffering by granting us an eternal place in Heaven.

I think all philosophers would agree that "good" from the human perspective would mean a lack of suffering.

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c5b649 No.10568

>>10453

Him knowing where you end up doesn't mean you didn't choose to be there in the first place. You have the choice to be righteous or be a faggot. It says multiple times that it grieves him to send people to hell, but they made the choice to reject truth (and by extension him) so ultimately it is perfectly just. You seem to think God's primary attribute is "Love" whereas the God of scripture is one that's more interested in Justice and Truth, to the point he describes himself as Logic incarnate.

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7813cb No.10609

>>10568

>You seem to think God's primary attribute is "Love"…

Except that it is. God IS love

And such legalistic autistic attitude is one of the reasons that caused the weakening of Western Christendom

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c8fe29 No.10637

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>>10567

>Ultimately, God determines what is good.

>However, good means "that which eliminates suffering, physical and spiritual."

I would be interested to know in what way you believe God is wholly good. What does it mean to say God is good? What does it mean to say something like 'this is a good triangle', or 'this is a good painting'? Obviously, none of those things have physical suffering or spiritual suffering. How do you account for non-human goodness?

>The commandments God gives us reduce our physical suffering, and following them is good.

His commandments often tangentially result in the reduction of physical suffering. But is this their ultimate purpose?

>I think all philosophers would agree that "good" from the human perspective would mean a lack of suffering.

By no means friend! Huge debates have raged over this for a long time. Epicureans and Ultilitarians may buy wholesale into this sort of idea, but many lines of thought from Aristotelianism (which dominated Christian medieval philosophy) to Consequentialism would not agree with this definition of 'good from the human perspective'.

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72918f No.10639

>>10637

You're going to have two perspectives here, no matter what. Good from God's perspective, and good from the human perspective.

God simply made everything for his own pleasure. He saw nothingness as "not good," and creation, as "good."

We, as created beings, cannot necessarily define how the universe *should* be. Only the Creator can decide how things *should* be.

That being said, we have the Bible, which says God does not want us to suffer. And in the Bible, we have God's commandments, which, if followed, reduce suffering. Therefore, I can deduce that God's Good includes the reduction of suffering.

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98c6b3 No.10618 [Open thread]

https://novusordowatch.org/2019/07/francis-gives-relics-st-peter-to-orthodox/

Ecumenist globalist lapdog Bergoglio is at it again. The best that can be said is that he didn't kiss any feet this time or any Korans

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f0ec4c No.10620

You sound as though you think relics are a good thing, and not pagan idolatry

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98c6b3 No.10621

>>10620

It has more to do with showing Catholics how far their "infallible church" has fallen. If their eyes can be opened then they can turn fully to Christ Jesus and stop vainly hoping that the works of wicked men can save them.

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3728ee No.9125 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

inb4 someone denies the following:

>while restricting themselves to those converted (or lured through missionary dating) to christianity or feminism or whatever religion they may have, women, who by being picky set the terms of coupling in modern society are in command of sex/marriage, select assortively, on but beauty, money, charisma.

if you deny it, fuck off, ignorant trash. the science is in, be a nigger in another thread.

if a deity has any power, why no power over cunts? they care not one bit about their religion, when it comes to their truest moment, the only important one universal.

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38a4d7 No.10238

>>10207

rude bitch. well, i will give you, in particular, nothing in the way of supporting evidence, but the data is ironclad.

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38a4d7 No.10239

it’s this way: 50% of christian men are Incel In Christ.

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8843dd No.10444

idk if i should bump. maybe nobody else recognizes this is the central issue facing christianity today.

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6aec75 No.10448

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8843dd No.10461

>>10448

not to mention refusing to support the ancient boundary stone (border walls).

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ec8532 No.10273 [Open thread]

Whats the most esoteric passages of the old testament ? Besides Jacob getting hip tossed by a angel

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95e142 No.10287

All of the OT is equally absent of esotericism, in the spiritual sense of esotericism meaning the text requires some kind of private enlightenment to understand

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caf8a0 No.10450

>>10273

>And Enoch was well-pleasing to God, and was not found, because God translated him.

<Genesis 5:24 (LXX)

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bdfa42 No.10274 [Open thread]

What would the world look like without the protestant reformation?

Here's what it would be like:

>No 30 years war. millions of lives saved

>no upheaval, europe better able to fight off ottomans and Balkans never fall to Muslim control

>Crusades continue, Christendom takes back Constantinople and most of the Near East. Deus Vult!

>The Roman church was itself aware of many of the faults called out by the reformers and would have probably taken action even if the “protestants” had not taken such a vocal stand against them.

>With Islam defeated, a united Christian Europe goes on to convert the world to Christianity

>Catholic America never legalizes slavery, as a result America is sill a white country

>Prussia never arises, as a result there is no German empire and World War I and World War II never occurs

>Without WWI there is no Russian revolution and communion never arises.

>Modernism, postmodernism never arise, there is no sexual revolution and the breakdown of the family never occurs

>A more peaceful, happier world emerges in the 20th century

Deus Vult!!!

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dd7bfa No.10409

>>10289

this. Luther lived unlike John Hus who sought reform in his age

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c872af No.10434

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>>10333

Indeed.

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8cdde2 No.10443

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>>10274

>.What would the world look like without the protestant reformation?

Brazil, Mexico, or Burkina Faso. Not really a world I want to live in.

Catholic butthurtposting is so tiresome.

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56be50 No.10446

>>10443

>Brazil, Mexico, or Burkina Faso. Not really a world I want to live in.

seriously , if catholics like it so much they should move to mexico city

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61c493 No.10565

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>>10299

<Strange that theyre were considered rightwing extremists by anyone with brains

<but please, regal me with an explanation as to how the Puritans were "liberal"

>>10326

<used to only entertain that idea for the sake of fairness when engaging with orthos

<I know fully believe it

>>10274

<yurop and the new world would be third world shitholes

<like mexico, but far far worse

<you seem to not understand how history works as well, its not a feild of dominoes, one thing leading directly to another

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7dd0f5 No.10132 [Open thread]

surprising no one but myopic boomer church thots, josh harris is satanist. and a fag promoter, possibly a faggot himself.

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8b9f4f No.10358

>>10234

>>10232

not quite perfect, should say “i kissed Jesus”

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8b9f4f No.10360

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5b912d No.10435

>>10360

nice skills anon good job with the font over the pic

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8b9f4f No.10440

>>10435

thank you anon

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8b9f4f No.10441

the other guy did a lot more 👍🏻

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27e420 No.10244 [Open thread]

unjunstly permabanned now. what is wrong with that moderation

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3949b3 No.10362

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d72596 No.10370

Christians going mad with power and abusing said power.

>Who could had seen it coming?

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903de8 No.10371

>>10370

>Christians

Catholics*

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0419a1 No.10385

It is a badge of honor to be banned from that place.

They are not Christians, they are not Catholics, they are Roman Catholics, a satanic perversion of the Holy Catholic Church.

They are nothing but pure evil. Idolators and servants of satan. Pray for the Lord to forgive them and deliver them from their delusion. As it stands, everyone on that board is probably unsaved and depending on their own works and dead traditions to save them.

>M-maybe if I pray with my magic beads enough times…

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68f320 No.10436

>>10371

>Catholics

Romanists*

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0891fe No.3674 [Open thread]

>this triggers the Prot

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1933c7 No.10295

>>3676

Just because I don't hold her to the same status as you doesn't mean I hate her, I have no reason to, and most if not all prots don't "hate" her.

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a80199 No.10356

>>3674

For some reason, Catholics act like Mary was the only person ever blessed in history.

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4cdc7c No.10373

Friendly reminder that Marian apparitions are demonic:

http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/marian_apparitions.aspx

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3476ec No.10398

When will Catholics repent from such idolatry?

Well, when they also worship papal authority (which is a satanic perversion of the true Catholic Church) I'm not really surprised, just disappointed.

Pray for them, that the Lord would deliver them from their strong delusion. Catholics are pure evil, totally incapable of turning from lies by their own power.

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ab479e No.10427

>>10373

Thanks for the link anon, some very interesting stuff in there. Its very curious that 'Mary' in these apparitions, often says things which limit the power of God or paint Jesus as unmerciful. Its also very funny that 'prophetic' apparitions such as the ones at Fatima weren't put to paper until the 'prophecies' had already been fulfilled or were presently underway. Still, Catholics like to point to this as evidence of the truth value of Marian apparitions. They also like screaming: 'but its not dogma!'. The fact of the matter is millions of Caths still believe in this shit and eat up the words of nutcases like Alphonsus Liguari, being led astray from the gospel in the process.

>>10398

>When will Catholics repent from such idolatry?

When they leave the Roman church. You cant be a Romanist without believing in the Marian dogmas, or the dogma of papal infallibility for instance.

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b1a446 No.581 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

The purpose of this board is to discuss Christian topics

It was started because of dissatisfaction with censorship by mods on /christian/, and that's still an issue almost 4 years later

>>2

We had a first raid today, (probably just one cross /b/ & /christian/ poster), that challenges the rule of "no censorship". Obviously spam and pornography are counter to the board purpose, but does banning and deleting provide an avenue for bias in moderation? I've concluded that it could, and in the interest of total transparency the mod practices will be as follows:

>all bans have been lifted

>anti-spam settings have been enabled (captcha to start thread, new thread limit/hour, robot9000 script)

>lewd and pornographic images will be deleted, but the post will remain

>spam threads will be locked, but not deleted so anyone can judge for themselves whether or not the post really was spam

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7be43d No.9845

>>9479

it was added

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c9555f No.10233

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Added two word filters

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1ecb57 No.10235

>>9479

>The gift of tongues is often associated with Spirit baptism, but there are other signs too and not everyone get tongues but many do.

None do. You just jibber incomprehensibly like idiots because you have no understanding of what it is you are supposed to be faking.

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c5a8d0 No.10399

>>10233

you should do the same with God and the Holy Spirit

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684d23 No.10403

>>10399

god -> God would confuse discussions related to false gods

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57ad34 No.9961 [Open thread]

Been seeing some Roman Catholics on here lately. They shouldn't be welcome on here.

Go fuck right back off to /christian/ please. Nobody wants your papism running rampant on here shitting up this whole board like how you shit up the last.

We know what Romanism does. Its like a plague. It comes in quietly at first but then it destroys everything.

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f07b6c No.10300

>>10182

>>10171

Lying is a sin. You both know what I said.

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ccf735 No.10309

>>9961

If you can’t have a proper discussion with someone you disagree with then you’re a child

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24de62 No.10316

Just remind Papists that their system suffers from strong, cognitive dissonance:

2 Maccabbees don't support purgatory. The reason why there was a sacrifice for the jews is because they died as idolaters (you cannot be redemed of that if you're already dead according catholic theology). Judeus believed he action will save the people in the day of resurrection implies that sacrifices are one time deal and the notion of soul sleep (opposed to being judged immediately after death). All of which mama Roma rejects. Oh, let's not get started how it's non-inspired using references like pope Gregory the great's commentaries.

Or how there isn't a traceable apostolic translation of the bible. Practically every church father up until and even passed Clement of Alexandria read Matthew 16:18's rock is either Christ or Peter's confession, Clement just gives up by stating that the rock is Christ and Peter, but virtually no other early bishop held that perspective even Augustine (he said it was Jesus Christ).

The earliest witness for such a interpretation of the scripture is the commentaries of Papias (apostle John's successor) yet no early church theologian had a deep compliance for them-couple even mocked them!

The earliest claimed tradition no body;no one in the catholic church, no one in the EO church, even people on the fridges of heresy believed this is true. The tradition from Irenaeus of lyons about apparently John told to the entire churches on the eastern Mediterranean that Jesus was fifty years old. Of course, papists try to cope out by appealing to 2 Thessalonians but if anyone says that the traditions is different like we see in 1 Corinthians 11&15, Paul's argument falls apart and the "super apostles" could easily say their traditions is actually the oral tradition of the authentic apostles.

More importantly IMO is the fact that after Origen formulated the Alexandrian interpretation method, it was accepted in the churches across the roman empire. What that tell us is that not only did these congregation have these "apostolic" interpretations they also needed a methodology to understand what the apostles wrote.

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13803e No.10318

>>10300

But it's nothing but the truth to equate the words Protestant and Christian

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822146 No.10323

>>10300

The truth is not a sin.

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8dac45 No.10252 [Open thread]

Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant. What do I begome? I am planning on getting baptized since I have never gotten baptized before. What church do I choose?

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8f978e No.10293

Presbyterian babey!!!!!!!!!

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8f978e No.10294

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018819 No.10298

>>10252

Catholicism, aka the church that Jesus founded. No other churches can make this claim.

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e10b51 No.10301

>>10298

Not only can I make that claim, I contend that I am part of the Catholic church that Jesus founded while Rome is not.

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e30fc8 No.10332

Did Peter not say that "the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls." or didn't Paul wrote " work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose."? Both Catholics and EOs deny this and proclaim that it's through you, not God the Holy Spirit, that total sanctification can be manifested (while using the sacraments as crutches, of course).

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a2ff56 No.10163 [Open thread]

>Murderer who escaped justice by becoming a priest

>Admitted that Satan was his chief theologian

>Encouraged protties to loot the wealth of monasteries which was used to help the poor, leading to a massive underclass

>Drunkard, adulterer, and womanizer

>Added and removed parts of the bible to support his own agenda

>Was funded by greedy German princes

>Encouraged divorce

<And to top it all off his original revolution lead to the ideas that brought the French revolution, the communist revolution, and various other modernist revolutions leading us to the predicament we find ourselves in today.

How can anyone support this faggot and call themselves a "Christian"?

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2f6412 No.10209

>>10188

then what did luther do?

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61cf41 No.10210

>>10209

Gave cogent exigetical arguments without coercion

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7125f4 No.10213

>>10178

>The first two bullet points are lies

OP most be from the group Luther wrote a book about their lies.

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dc960c No.10258

When he was saying what the Bible aaid he was right, but even Jesus was tactful.

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aff6f2 No.10281

>>10210

Pretty sure he commanded the baptists of his age to be killed.

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bedbe0 No.9939 [Open thread]

Do you ever get the feeling that most Christians don't really believe in God and the bible. That they're just in it for the good community and morals? I'm not just talking about obvious cases like those churches we see with the rainbow flags - instead it seems to be that many churches, both liberal and conservative, are filled with congregation and even pastoral staff that don't actually believe in God.

Theology that would be no different without God

I'm not basing this on the way anyone acts, I understand that all fall short. It's more the theology - a lot of the pop theology going around at churches actually seems to present a view that nullifies God.

For example:

The popular saying:

>God answers prays yes, no or wait

How is that different from if you were praying and there was no God. If God didn't exit, you would still get what you prayed for sometimes, not get it other time, and have to wait other times. This belief is no different from the way the world would be if God doesn't exist.

In a world where God exists, if a prayer isn't answered, it should mean that something went wrong and prayers should be answered yes more often than not. - unanswered prayers should be an aberration that causes concern.

Another was from my cousin who is a junior Charismatic pastor he said something along the lines of:

>prayer doesn't change things; it changes me

And I just thought, that seems no different from how prayer would work in a world that God doesn't exist.

It's almost like they don't really think God exists or cares, but want to believe he does, so they go about creating a theology that would be equally true whether God exists or not.

In fact a lot of ChriPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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018448 No.10190

>>9942

Catholics are modernists. Every one of their traditions came long after the early (Ante-Nicene) Church and the Apostles.

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a65ae9 No.10220

>>10189

You are making the classic Papist mistake of anthropomorphizing God. God is beyond comprehension and prayer isn't like a telephone; to suggest it is (or to suggest your communicate with have any impact on God) diminishes God as it implies fallibility and ignorance . You pray to God because God in his apparent revealed preferences (via scripture) stated you should pray (or more accurate, you should recite some words generally pro forma using some sort of template as a small sacrifice of your time; that is all we know). Outside that you pray for your own comfort; a comfort in that you are obedient to God and as such God will come through for you in the end.

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bf9513 No.10221

>That they're just in it for the good community and morals?

Not even that. Many of them are in it because it just so happens to currently benefit them (modern, hip churches make them look cool and give them opportunities to hang out with other young people, sometimes they can post "radical" Church-y posts on social media for approval, etc.)

And then later they come out as gay or announce that they leave the faith entirely, because they finally decided that the faith no longer benefits them or their image as "cool" or "profound." And that's all it was ever about since day one. Their own image.

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bf9513 No.10222

>God answers prays yes, no or wait

>How is that different from if you were praying and there was no God. If God didn't exit, you would still get what you prayed for sometimes, not get it other time, and have to wait other times. This belief is no different from the way the world would be if God doesn't exist.

That's a little different though, because you may ask me for things, and I may say either yes, no, or wait. That doesn't mean you don't believe I exist.

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aea0ee No.10268

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>>10220

>You are making the classic Papist mistake of anthropomorphizing God.

I dont see how I am doing that because I stated God actually cares that we pray. I understand that God is not 'rational' or 'creaturely' in any sense, and is incorporeal, and have never held an anthropomorphic view of Him.

>God is beyond comprehension and prayer isn't like a telephone; to suggest it is (or to suggest your communicate with have any impact on God) diminishes God as it implies fallibility and ignorance.

Firstly, I never suggested prayer was like a telephone, or levied any 'changing effect' on God to violate His immutable character. I am aware of this argument, and agree that the immutability of God must be true if he is omniperfect. However, if things that 'impact' God diminish Him, then how do we deal with the trove of references in the bible to God reacting with strong emotion to disobedience or obedience? Are they there to help us understand Him by relating to Him? Or did God really 'feel' those things about certain actions in his own way?

>You pray to God because God in his apparent revealed preferences (via scripture) stated you should pray

It feels stupid that we are even disagreeing, because you obviously believe God knows prayer to be good for humans, and commands them to pray, and answers prayer. If people held this in contempt or refused to do it, would God really not have any reaction? He did in the OT about exactly this point many times when Israel prayed to other Gods and was adulterous. I am not saying He 'cares' in the same way we care, or is affected by events here in a temporal sense. I am saying that in His own way, He loves it when humans have freely chosen Him and follow Him (prayer included), and hates the converse. I think we need to be careful when we talk about what is meant for God to be 'impacted', as some definitions would lead you to the conclusion that because creation itself impacted God (He had to 'act' to create), it must have caused a change/diminishing in His perfect state, making the act of creation sub-optimal. I have heard people say this.

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f5986e No.10237 [Open thread]

Our ancestors were instructed to exterminate them when we moved into Canaan, and when they did not do so they were warned of the harm that would come to them as a result. And even in modern times we still see people like Hitler being too kind to jews, trying to deport them rather than simply killing them all, the same mistake our ancestors made. Are we still supposed to kill them, or is it too late for that? Is being stuck with jews our permanent punishment for not obeying God and destroying them when He told us to?

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6ae5e6 No.10241

>when we moved into Canaan

WE WUZ ISRAELITES LMAO

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f5986e No.10242

>>10241

Yeah yeah, we've heard your desperate lies a million times rabbi.

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eb9981 No.10262

>>10241

>WE WUZ ISRAELITES LMAO

Yes the Black Hebrew Israelites

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