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Flag Debate ## Board Owner 07/05/19 (Fri) 19:35:39 d77531 No.7801 [Open thread]

It seems there's been a debate around here about whether or not we should have an SDA flag on the board. This is a thread for discussing that question.

Criteria for adding a flag: (see >>7204)

>Requested by poster

>Flag represents a real (IRL) denomination with current member churches

>Only Christian denominations

The reason for objecting to an SDA flag is that the SDA's should not be considered Christian.

We are defining Christian broadly and in the most basic, historic way: affirming the doctrine of the trinity.

It is alleged that Seventh Day Adventists are not trinitarian, despite professing to be.

Is that true? If it can be proven, the flag will be removed.

Can the SDA anon give some insight?

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07/22/19 (Mon) 06:19:21 4e6747 No.9149

Mormons believe in the Trinity, can we have our own flags?

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07/22/19 (Mon) 12:31:48 ac8623 No.9167

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>>9149

No they don't

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07/23/19 (Tue) 04:58:24 427f0e No.9251

>>8096

I agree with this tbh. I fear that gnostic larpers and other heretics could kill the board before it gets off the ground. I think the BO won't budge on this though so I can only hope it won't end up being too much of a problem.

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07/23/19 (Tue) 05:28:56 ebdca1 No.9253

>>9167

Mormons believe in the Trinity. That is what the board owner said what constitutes a Christian. Now give us our flag.

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07/23/19 (Tue) 07:24:41 245eec No.9256

>>9253

Piss off with your pantheistic nonsense

I bet you're just a false-flagging butthurt /christian/ janny anyway

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Contradictions? 07/22/19 (Mon) 15:41:37 8ba167 No.9193 [Open thread]

Micah 7:18 - Jermiah 17:4

Gal 2:16 - Matt 19:17

Gen 32:30 - Ex 33:20 - Tim 3:16

Is 45:7 - 1 John 4:8

Acts 22:9 - Acts 9:7

Deut 24:16 - Deut 5:9

Please help me here. Are these really contradictions?

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07/22/19 (Mon) 16:04:07 daf5a4 No.9194

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>>9193

When investigating alleged contradictions, the challenge is to prove that any two statements necessarily contradict one another, not only that they could be interpreted as contradictory.

I'll look at the first one

This guy argues that the Jeremiah passage is really using hyperbole when taken in context, the anger doesn't actually last forever because the people obviously don't live forever

https://lucsnovelties.com/2016/04/25/bible-contradictions-micah-718-vs-jeremiah-174/

I think that there is no contradiction because the Micah passage isn't speaking in application of all anger God ever feels, the anger that doesn't last forever is the anger against those who He pardons:

>Micah 7:18 NASB — Who is a God like You, who pardons iniquity

>And passes over the rebellious act of the remnant of His possession?

>He does not retain His anger forever,

>Because He delights in unchanging love.

He freely offers forgiveness of sins for whosoever will ask for it (faith), and those are the people about whom He does not retain His anger forever

>2 Chronicles 7:14 NASB — and (if) My people who are called by My name humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

No contradiction here

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07/22/19 (Mon) 16:26:24 2c47f2 No.9196

this site is great for reconciling alleged biblical contradictions,

here's your 3rd one:

https://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=3761

4th one here #96:

https://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=354

5th one here, #55:

https://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=332

6th one here, #234:

https://www.contradictingbiblecontradictions.com/?p=2588

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07/23/19 (Tue) 00:36:00 b80f4e No.9237

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>>9196

Good website. This YouTube channel has a series on supposed bible contradictions

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Terrible sacred architecture 07/22/19 (Mon) 04:39:58 d3009a No.9136 [Open thread]

Dudes I have something very strange to share with you.

Christ Presbyterian Church in Largo FL.

largocpc.org

There's a tab on their tacky outdated website called "cloud of witnesses".

It's a page hosting a PDF split into multiple links because boomer web design. That PDF is a piece about their architecture made for the 50th anniversary of the church, and it is something else.

They have a strange idea about the (((star of David))) to symbolize connection to the OT, cedar in the building connects to Solomon, there's an empty cross suspended in the center with a crown above.. but then there are SEVENTY TWO busts around the sanctuary which are to symbolize the cloud of witnesses a la Hebrews 12, great figures of the faith.

>Abraham

>Joseph

>David

>Moses

>John the Baptist

>Mary

Ok, alright, I'm tracking.. keep me posted

>Judas

questionable but ok

>The prodigal son

>The good Samaritan

These are characters of parable, not really historical figures, but ok

>Augustine

>Aquinas

Good

>John Calvin

>Martin Luther

>John Knox

>Roger Williams

>JS Bach

Alright, good representation of Protestant history but this is kind of eclectic.. not distinctively Presbyterian

>Adoniram Judson

>William Carey

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07/22/19 (Mon) 06:58:13 69cf95 No.9153

>>9136

Is locating obscure and strange church buildings a hobby of yours?

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07/22/19 (Mon) 17:20:08 2e32b9 No.9200

>>9153

I find a church when I'm in town for a Sunday

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07/23/19 (Tue) 00:30:35 e96583 No.9232

>>9136

Can't say I've ran into such an oddity in theology and architecture traveling around the USA. Strangest I've ran into is those round designed churches that heavy used wood and were popular in the 70's.

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Making a Pentecostal hate me 07/18/19 (Thu) 20:14:15 4739cd No.8691 [Open thread]

>be me

>like 6 years ago

>catholic, used to be prot

>work at prot camp for special needs kids

>can’t stand the prot stuff but all the autists and downies are awesome

>enjoy time with most of my prot friends but hate this one guy

>he’s a prick to the special needs campers and everyone else

>barely over 5 ft, has real LMS

>he’s even an indie lib, it just can’t get any worse

>we’ll call him smallanon

>camp sessions run a week then we have two days off

>camp term just ends

>me and some pals are about to drive to a random town and explore

>smallanon invites himself to go with us

>friends are too nice to say no

>fuck

>get in the car and start chewing the fat

>we start mocking speaking in tongues

>smallanon gets off his phone and starts defending it

>learn that smallanon is Pentecostal

>hell yes

>im usually pretty civil arguing religion but I let the SOB have it

>wasn’t being a charitable catholic but boy was it delicious

>i absolutely obliterated every argument he tried to make

>finally he pulls out his trump card, something like they’ve done brain scans of tongue speakers and have shown parts of the brain being activated that are literally impossible for humans to do

>therefore it must be a spiritual presence helping them tongue speak

>don’t know enough about brains to say he’s full of it but who cares

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07/22/19 (Mon) 12:25:24 f3d8ad No.9163

>>9144

>Prots don't have good reading comprehension skills

<hate this one guy | he's a prick to the special needs campers and everyone else | barely over 5 ft, has real LMS

LMS means Lenz microphthalmia syndrome, no?

Unsurprising to see another demeaning catholic encourage sinful behavior

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07/22/19 (Mon) 12:37:06 0bce1c No.9169

>>9163

Same poster but im on my phone so my id might be different. Anyway I'd never heard of ims so if he was special needs thats sad. Not to mention I told the OP he should have consoled him when he started crying.

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07/22/19 (Mon) 12:41:06 a46240 No.9172

>>9169

Would bullying, and bragging about bullying, be ok if the kid was not disabled?

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07/22/19 (Mon) 12:47:37 0bce1c No.9173

>>9172

He told the guy why his position was wrong. He might have gone about it the wrong way though. With that said it's sometimes better to hurt someones feelings than to let them live in error and risk damnation. Although as I said, the OP could have approached it in a much better way.

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07/22/19 (Mon) 12:59:54 a46240 No.9176

>>9173

>hate this one guy

>I let the SOB have it

>wasn’t being charitable

>mfw he silently weeps (laughing)

Yeah ok

Good reading comprehension yourself. This is bullying.

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Hi please read this thread is important ! niceman2019RR 07/22/19 (Mon) 09:27:49 f2d487 No.9157 [Open thread]

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07/22/19 (Mon) 11:30:33 07651c No.9159

Bah, who cares. Just treat your own kids well, and stop chuggin' that weltschmerz. If you're insisting on combatting human nature, you'll wear yourself out.

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07/22/19 (Mon) 12:28:42 fa6389 No.9166

Based occasional foreign poster with wholesome goals

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Trinity thread 06/28/19 (Fri) 16:58:05 101aea No.7311 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

There are posters here who have been denying the Trinity in a couple threads, so let's consolidate the discussion to a dedicated thread.

Question: Is God triune?

Basis for argument: What does the Bible teach, and what is philosophically consistent?

Definition of the Trinity, according to classical Christian trinitarians:

<God is three persons

<Each person is divine

<There is one God

Most common non-trinitarian positions:

>God the Father is the only God

>The Father and Jesus are divine, but the spirit is not or is not a person

>The spirit does not exist

>There is no God (atheism, excluded from our debate itt)

If you reject trinitarianism, please justify yourself and be ready for scrutiny.

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07/22/19 (Mon) 03:37:44 daaa7a No.9119

>>7311

did you know the new testament never contains “yahweh” or “elohim”? elohim and yahweh are gods entirely at odds, and from the very start, with Jesus. Jesus condemns to hell yahweh and elohim, and unmistakably, indeed elohim and yahweh have already been slain by Jesus, who tied a millstone around their necks, and cast them into the depths of hell.

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07/22/19 (Mon) 03:45:50 2a8dc0 No.9120

>>9119

Did you know that the old and new testaments are written in different languages?

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07/22/19 (Mon) 04:08:21 daaa7a No.9129

>>9120

Odin is as much yahweh as Abba is.

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07/22/19 (Mon) 04:11:31 92bd88 No.9131

>>9129

>(you)

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07/22/19 (Mon) 04:13:55 daaa7a No.9132

>>9131

???

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Christian reading list 06/24/19 (Mon) 15:03:43 d3feb2 No.6992 [Open thread]

In classic imageboard culture, we should make a recommended book list. There's one or two floating around, but it's really just a bunch of titles with no structure.

I think it should be a work of systematic theology, persuading the reader to a position.

This is the best structured such infographic I've found, it should be a model.

Where did you start reading in systematic theology?

Did you get a hermeneutics book first?

Did you read a polemic for the conservative Christian position?

Would a chart have to be evangelical Protestant only and a different one Catholic only, or is there enough overlap in sys theology?

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07/16/19 (Tue) 03:18:15 f35dbe No.8509

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>>6992

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07/16/19 (Tue) 03:53:07 91bb22 No.8511

>>8509

No direction here, just a bunch of covers.

Also the orthodox study Bible is not a translation

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07/18/19 (Thu) 20:26:22 8d5fee No.8696

>>8511

>Also the orthodox study Bible is not a translation

Yes and no. While the New Testament in it is just a copy and paste of the NKJV with Orthodox footnotes, the Old Testament is a new custom translation of the Septuagint. While the OSB OT's overall style is based on the NKJV's flavor, there are enough significant differences in the OSB's translation of the OT and a standard NKJV to render the OSB's Old Testament effectively a new translation (I.e. compare a Psalm from the OSB's OT to the same one in a normal NKJV OT, and there are differences in translation rendering that go far beyond a slightly different numbering scheme.)

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07/22/19 (Mon) 03:25:20 f7e23b No.9116

I can't be assed to make an image, but here's what I would pick for a basic list of essentials.

>General Christian

Holy Bible

Philip Schaff's Ante Nicene, Nicene, and Post-Nicene Fathers series

The C.S. Lewis Signature Classics

The Last Superstition

Josephus's Jewish Wars

>Catholic

Catechism of the Catholic Church

Summa Theologica

True Devotion to Mary

Denzinger's Enchiridion

The Imitation of Christ

>Orthodox

The Philokalia

The Way of the Pilgrim and the Pilgrim Continues His Way

The Ladder of Divine Ascent

The Triads of Gregory Palamas

The Path to Salvation

>Lutheran

The Book of Concord

On The Bondage of the Will

The Examination of the Council of Trent

Confessio Catholica

The Conservative Reformation

>Calvinist

Institutes of the Christian Religion

Summa totius Christianismi

The Works of Jonathan Edwards

Systematic Theology

Sermons of George Whitefield

Sadly, I don't know enough about Arminianism to come with any books for it, but it deserves it's own section as well.

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07/22/19 (Mon) 04:02:53 722373 No.9126

>>9116

>Summa totius Christianismi

Among even knowledgable Calvinists not many have even heard of this

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Justify the 5 solae 07/17/19 (Wed) 18:58:23 5ed007 No.8628 [Open thread]

Presume he's being open minded and wants to know if the five solae are in alignment with the Bible. What do you say?

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07/20/19 (Sat) 01:22:39 6812eb No.8858

>>8742

No, that you most certainly are not.

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07/20/19 (Sat) 01:31:59 91d33e No.8860

>>8858

You deny baptismal regeneration and the real prrsence.

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07/20/19 (Sat) 01:37:29 6812eb No.8861

>>8860

Is schizophrenia fun?

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07/20/19 (Sat) 01:44:54 27818f No.8862

>>8860

Don't you get tired of this

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07/22/19 (Mon) 02:34:00 11469d No.9102

https://bookofconcord.org/info.php

The Book of Concord explains them all very clearly. The problem is Papists are afraid to read it.

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Pope Kissing the Quran 07/17/19 (Wed) 12:29:59 47516e No.8599 [Open thread]

This image would usually always get deleted on /christian/ by the Catholic mod mafia.

The question I have for the few Catholics here is, why did your Catholic "God on earth" clearly venerate a blasphemous book? I know Catholics are mostly atheists, so it probably didn't make any difference to him, but it's still no good reason to do it. Is it because many Catholics are pedophiles and Muslims are pedophiles too?

If you're a Christian you can give your opinion too, not just Catholics.

God bless you.

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07/22/19 (Mon) 00:44:30 e3f6ea No.9071

>>9068

War is done in the interests of the nation.

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07/22/19 (Mon) 00:45:14 ac18ee No.9072

>>9068

Naive

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07/22/19 (Mon) 00:46:11 97a7d3 No.9073

>>9068

Romanism is not Christian

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07/22/19 (Mon) 01:01:08 79994d No.9075

>>9072

Realpolitik is the path straight to hell, as seen with Germany and the West in general.

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07/22/19 (Mon) 01:09:39 97a7d3 No.9077

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>>9075

Ok Ivan

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End times? 07/15/19 (Mon) 13:16:11 e1a2e4 No.8467 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

With mass migration on the rise, the middle east falling apart, climate change, huge advancements in technology, and the rise of censorship, do you think we're approaching the end of the world?

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07/21/19 (Sun) 20:39:23 126fe0 No.9044

>>8978

Do the immigrants look like what is described in Revelation?

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07/21/19 (Sun) 21:21:03 97eec5 No.9048

>>8700

1. I am Catholic

2. Most people in the Middle East do not drink camel piss, just like most so called Christians do not actually, really, "turn the other cheek", or whatever else.

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07/21/19 (Sun) 21:24:13 97eec5 No.9049

>>8708

I have been to Iraq. Have you been anywhere near Iraq? Have you ever even met anybody from it? I wonder. But I will not assume anything like you did, wrongly.

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07/21/19 (Sun) 22:54:26 b6393e No.9058

>>9048

>I don't understand "turn the other cheek"

>that means nobody does it.

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07/21/19 (Sun) 23:05:29 36f918 No.9061

You guys clearly deserve eachother - i guess God really is Just.

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Pastor Steven Anderson 07/21/19 (Sun) 20:59:02 dfc845 No.9045 [Open thread]

I believe Steven Anderson to be a messenger of God in many ways. He speaks like one of the prophets, no? He is like I'sai'ah or Mal'a'chi! He is like J'ohn the Baptist! J'ohn the Baptist lead the way for Je'sus Christ 2000 years ago. I believe Pastor Steven Anderson might be leading the way for the second coming of Christ. I'm not saying I know the time as our Lord Je'sus himself says, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." (Matthew 24:36, KJV) And I say Amen to Jesus! I do believe though that he will be in some ways a new J'ohn the Baptist. Steven Anderson the Baptist! Amen! Soul winning will be revived! The KJV will become the standard in all Baptist churches! Faggots and homosexuals and dykes and LGBTQiawhateverthehell will be driven away from all that is holy! Women will dress modestly. Contraception will be preached against in all churches! Traditional Baptist hymns will be played. None of that contemporary crap. Rock music is music of The Devil plain and simple. Many folks don't know it but Satan infiltrates churches through Rock music. "Christian Rock" is deceptive. But that is what Satan does he "deceiveth the whole world". Amen. Je'sus may return in 1000 years or 100 years or 5 years or 40,000 years or 2 minutes from now. But I think after this great falling away we have expereinced, in some way, Pastor Anderson the Baptist and J'ohn the Baptist will be remembered as the greatest pastors ever besides our Lord and God and Saviour Je'sus Christ himself. Amen!

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07/21/19 (Sun) 22:06:33 90bf1d No.9055

there's already an anderson thread

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Hitler 07/19/19 (Fri) 13:55:37 177214 No.8771 [Open thread]

Once and for all: I need an answer

Was Hitler Christian?

There are quotes and arguments of him as pagan, atheist, and Christian. What is the truth?

Did he do or say anything that categorically proves he was NOT Christian?

More specifically, was he saved? Am I going to meet Hitler in eternity?

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07/20/19 (Sat) 21:02:25 3d692f No.8952

>>8949

>Then why are you posting if you don't know anything?

I don't know the answer to that question, because only Hitler knew what he believed. It's called intellectual honesty.

>So a big fat no then?

Our collective interpretation of history is still unfolding, and the creeping consensus is that while what he did was bad, it served to expel a foreign agent that undermined a society. Coincidentally, many in the same demographic claim they adhere to traditional (christian) values.

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07/20/19 (Sat) 21:33:20 575096 No.8958

>>8936

You can't use God as a magical "everything I like is good" crutch. It is completely retarded to suggest that God is on the side of the victor in every war in history. How is self-improvement contrary to Christ's teachings? And why are you quoting heretical kike translations? The word means gentle, not meek. Gentleness does not mean meekness.

>Are you talking about the Messianic Jews?

No, I am talking about all the so-called "Christian" churches in 1920s and 1930s Germany.

>I thought the argument from earlier was toward all modern churches

It is.

>If the later, you must provide proof that the true and healthy Evangelical churches are cucked.

I have to provide proof of some random shit you just made up? I don't think that's how it works.

>It's not about the glory of God or of Christ or of the Gospel

Where's your proof? Everything I can find that is an actual positive christian writing says you are wrong.

>It's entirely about the "volk"

Not entirely. But of course there is huge emphasis on God's people. Just as there is in both the OT and the NT. You might want to read the bible sometime.

>Again, if that was not blasphemous idolatry that perverted the Gospel message and God's Law, then Germany would have at least survived the war if not won it or avoid it altogether.

You are God now? If not, quit telling us what God did and why when you have no way to know.

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07/21/19 (Sun) 01:26:54 e9f2a4 No.8977

>>8800

This. Positive Christianity upheld the belief that Jesus was not Jewish, but the son of a roman soldier.

>Positive Christianity advocates also sought to deny the Semitic origins of Christ and the Bible. Based on such elements, positive Christianity separated itself from Nicene Christianity.

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07/21/19 (Sun) 02:09:58 8f6685 No.8980

>>8977

Any original source for this statement?

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07/21/19 (Sun) 07:27:38 38acb3 No.9002

>>8980

Up your butt and around the corner

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Atheists 07/19/19 (Fri) 19:52:06 a272f8 No.8818 [Open thread]

I have watched just about everything Jordan Peterson has put out, and while I think he does some epistemological sleights of hand, I wouldn't mind learning about morality from christians in person. But why does this God thing have to divide us?

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07/20/19 (Sat) 19:48:14 a272f8 No.8946

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>>8944

Yes.

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07/20/19 (Sat) 19:51:58 022f46 No.8947

>>8946

Relativism is the stance that morality is subjective. Two separate stances are simultaneously true.

This is formally illogical, it breaks the law of non contradiction.

Objectivism is the stance that there are an objective set of moral truths.

Nihilism is the stance that there are no moral truths.

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07/20/19 (Sat) 20:19:27 a272f8 No.8948

>>8947

I consider some morality to be subjective. This allows for denominations to develop. For reference; I am from an area of the world where there's a lot of protestant sects.

>>8830

Was kind of answered here. My understanding is that Objectivism favours rational individualism, which I am comfortable with. However, I'd prefer the operative unit to be the family, not the individual. Otherwise it seems ok.

I grew up with Nihilism, and I think it's unfulfilling, even destructive. I prefer a constructive approach to life.

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07/20/19 (Sat) 20:40:03 022f46 No.8950

>>8948

>I consider some morality to be subjective. This allows for denominations to develop.

No, that's not how it works. Moral relativism is not a necessary condition for denominationalism, it's even opposed to the doctrines of the Reformation. Churches schism because two sides in a debate each believe their view is right at the exclusion of the other.

>Was kind of answered here. My understanding is that Objectivism favours rational individualism, which I am comfortable with. However, I'd prefer the operative unit to be the family, not the individual. Otherwise it seems ok.

Whichever system is arguably preferable for society has no effect on it's truthfulness

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07/20/19 (Sat) 20:45:36 a272f8 No.8951

>>8950

>No, that's not how it works. Moral relativism is not a necessary condition for denominationalism, it's even opposed to the doctrines of the Reformation. Churches schism because two sides in a debate each believe their view is right at the exclusion of the other.

Much like our disagreement on the details of the supreme authority otherwise known as God.

>Whichever system is arguably preferable for society has no effect on it's truthfulness

I am more concerned with its effectiveness. If I have to tell a (white) lie to my kids in order for them to behave, then I lose credibility and authority, when my lie does not stand up to scrutiny.

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God is 1 you modalist 07/20/19 (Sat) 01:04:42 cc14d5 No.8851 [Open thread]

Deuteronomy 6:4: “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.”

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07/20/19 (Sat) 01:13:54 6baea0 No.8857

Did you mean to reply to a thread?

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The Lord our God is one 07/10/19 (Wed) 19:10:34 04542c No.8041 [Open thread][Last50 Posts]

Deuteronomy 6:4 says "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One." It doesn't say he is three in one it says he is one; Jesus says in Mark 12:29 "This is the most important: 'Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One." Jesus doesn't say he is God he says God is one and he never says he is a part of it.

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07/19/19 (Fri) 14:23:26 e49170 No.8777

>>8052

>Jesus was just one of the greatest prophets and teachers of all time

The main thing He taught people was that He is the son of God. When people questioned his authority to teach other things when he was young, He told them His authority came from His Father.

You cannot believe that Jesus was a great teacher if you believe his fundamental message was wrong. That's like saying someone is a good driver despite having car crashes daily. It is not logical.

I get the feeling Muslims try to argue this line because they're afraid of offending to the point where we completely refuse them audience. You don't believe that Jesus is the son of God, so the only logical option is that he's a nutter or a liar.

But calling him a liar or a nutcase would be coming on too strong, wouldn't it?

We are not going to instantly shut you out because you challenge the validity of Jesus' claims. We welcome the discussion. What DOES piss us off is using illogical reasoning, because it shows you are not interested in the truth and are wasting our time.

We must know the truth, whatever the cost and however painful it may be to accept.

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07/19/19 (Fri) 17:01:02 fac26c No.8792

>>8041

Father = God the creator

Son = the word

Holy Spirit = the truth

your breath and the words you speak arent separate from you. they are 1.

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07/19/19 (Fri) 17:04:13 fac26c No.8793

>>8777

W I T N E S S E D

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07/20/19 (Sat) 00:07:40 54910c No.8842

>>8762

You have no understanding of it. All you've done is criticize others with no offerning of your own.

You don't even know! You thought He was one until now. Now you think he's two! >>8049

It's like you never even heard of the Trinity!

You think you know something but you can't articulate it. You don't know, then, fool!

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07/20/19 (Sat) 01:04:59 fcbf25 No.8852

>>8842

>You have no understanding of it

Of course not. Your random insane babbling is completely nonsensical. Nobody can understand it.

>You thought He was one until now.

What are you talking about? I've always known God is the duality of Father and Son. I am the one that started all this insane trinitarian shit flinging by pointing out that the bible clearly establishes God as two.

>It's like you never even heard of the Trinity!

Of course I have heard of it. That's why I have been telling you heretics that it is wrong.

>You think you know something but you can't articulate it.

What are you babbling about?

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