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645fc8 No.9570 [Open Thread]

Why did the omnipotent creator of the universe need middle eastern people to sacrifice goats and animals by cutting their throats and burning their bodies to obtain their blood for so long? Could there have been any other way to "pay for sin"? When I talk to people who are not Cristian they also don't see why god needed to impregnate a teenage middle eastern girl so her child could be butchered as a sacrifice to himself.

How can I explain this in a way that makes logical sense? Perhaps god had no choice in this matter and there is some law of the universe that forces him to need blood?

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af9c49 No.10113

>>9570

God loves a good barbecue.

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9af2c1 No.10126

>>9570

>Why did the omnipotent creator of the universe need middle eastern people to sacrifice goats and animals by cutting their throats and burning their bodies to obtain their blood for so long?

Galatians 3:22-25

But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Hebrews 9:18-23

Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

>Perhaps god had no choice in this matter and there is some law of the universe that forces him to need blood?

You have to put this in its bigger context. God created the very existence of blood in the first place. Everything has been given its purpose with his thoughts and purpose in mind. And his ways are much higher than our ways, his thoughts than our thoughts. Whether or not you realize this fact, this is simply the reality around us. That's simply how it is, and God is also willing for us to come to the knowledge of the truth of his Son if we shoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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603086 No.10141

>>10073

>were how the priests were fed.

Wait I thought the whole point of animal sacrifices was that you'd burn the remains as a symbol of your sacrifice for the sake of your belief? Did they really just eat the animal after "sacrificing" it?

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d86514 No.10149

>>10141

It depended on the type of sacrifice. A lot of the time the owner of the animal got to have a good feast along with the family.

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653dcf No.10156

>>9570

>>10073

This, and the fact that livestock was worth a lot back then. Sacrificing the best of your livestock was a big sacrifice in general, and by burning the body, you're rendering the meat inedible to salvage.

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97fdbf No.8337 [Open Thread]

The book burnings continue. If you're not familiar, Dr. Nicolosi was the leading void for scientifically-proven reparative therapy for LGBT individuals for several decades.

Amazon Just Banned My Dad’s Therapy Books, Caving to LGBT Activists

by Joseph Nicolosi Jr.

>On Amazon, you can buy almost any book written throughout human history—from the Bible to Adolf Hitler’s “Mein Kampf,” or even a book glorifying pedophilia.

>As of last week, however, you cannot get any of Dr. Joseph Nicolosi Sr.’s books about leaving homosexuality—because Amazon just banned them all.

>From 1981 until his death in 2017, my father was the driving force behind reparative therapy. He invented, refined, and used this innovative counseling method to help thousands of men overcome the effects of sexual abuse and other deep-seated childhood traumas.

>These men told my father that his scientifically sound practices helped re-orient their sexuality away from obsessions with pornography, and helped them reduce their unwanted same-sex attractions.

>The books Amazon banned are the continuation of my father’s legacy and of the changes that can take place through his methods. The books have hundreds of endorsements, from typical readers to past presidents of the American Psychological Association.

>In one comment, which Amazon has now “banned,” a man said the book “Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality” saved his marriage.

>Luckily for that man, he was able to find marital help before Amazon became the PC police. Today, he and many other families will now find fewer online resources than ever—not because science dictates their removal, but because LGBT ideology has shouted down sound science.

>While Amazon is banning books—and restricting choice among those with unwanted same-sex attractions—some state governments are banning my father’s therapeutic practices.

>But it’s clear that no government official who is voting to restrict client choice actPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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8ae119 No.10020

>>8337

His work was brilliant. shame globohomo is so afraid of any inquiry.

It's all about accepting their narrative without any questioning. they are kind of like Papists.

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a25396 No.10024

>>10020

>Papists

Fuck off protnigger.

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f149b3 No.10060

>>8349

the main reason it’s not removed is it’s translated falsely by kikes.

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d44e92 No.10119

>>10024

Whoa there Papist, you made a wrong turn. This is /christianity/, you're looking for /christian/.

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e65eb0 No.10143

>>10024

There is a Catholic board

>>>/christian/

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f8ce7f No.7645 [Open Thread]

But I still feel so lonely and depressed

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e42a46 No.9190

>>9146

>>9168

By grace, through faith, not of works. True or false?

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4332c1 No.9388

>>7645

As a lifelong depressive I can assure you it's almost certainly down to your thinking.

Stop practicing being miserable. stop each crappy thought as you think it and replace with the opposite thought. Its a choice. I was out of depression within a year and tbh it could have been half that if I'd not been so self indulgent.

Even non Christians can do that. I think its called CBT?

think about these verses where the Christian is encouraged to change their thhinking:

Philippians 4:8 - Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable if anything is excellent or praiseworthy think about such things.

It's a command to Fill your mind with good wholesome stuff instead of darkness and misery … this may require a break from the chans lol

2 Corinthians 10:5 "…take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ."

This verse is telling you have authority and control over your mind, so exercise control to make it holy.

God doesn't just wave a miracle wand over us and make us perfect, any more than your earthly parents waved a wand over you and made you walk, talk and potty trained.

This is a process that the Christian must be active in.

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4332c1 No.9391

>>7958

>remembering that verse about fornicators not inheriting the kingdom of heaven

>remain single and addicted to porn

You're literally justifying your sin.

Have you never considered that if by looking at a woman with lust you commit adultery in the heart, then by looking at pornography you fornicate with her in your heart?

Ever considered that the Greek word translated as fornication is actually PORNEIA and means sexual sins, so probably pornography too.

Get help now to overcome or you will not inherit the kingdom either /nofap/

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e5ca02 No.10038

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>>7981

The time spent on earth could be said to be the most important in your existence as it determines if you get into heaven, whilst also being infinitely short compared to the eternity of afterlife. I don't mean to say "suck it up" but just hang in there anon

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386ae5 No.10072

>>7891

Look for young women. If you're actually devout; working hard, earning a wage for your work, staying sober,etc., then there won't be much social stigma opting for a young woman. It'll be there, but not as bad.

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aaf7fd No.9277 [Open Thread]

If a system is contradictory, it is formally illogical and should be discarded. This is the case for systematic theology in the Roman church.

The Roman church simultaneously claims:

1 -Outside the Church there is no salvation

and

2 -Those who do not know the Gospel of Christ or his(sic) Church may too receive eternal salvation

>Catechism 846 & 847 http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P29.HTM

Remember that "church" here means the RCC, and to be "inside" the church means participation in the sacraments of the RCC (or deemed permissible by the RCC, like baptism from other churches).

Here are the available options I see:

>EENS (#1) really means that membership in the RCC is normative, it's not an exclusive statement. The two can be reconciled this way.

-arguing against the church's historic reading of the doctrine of EENS from Council of Florence and Fourth Lateran Council (incompatible with viewing the RCC as a source of special revelation)

>Baptism of desire (#2) is a false doctrine (Feeneyism)

-Q: why then is it being taught by the Roman church?

–A1: the doctrine is being corrupted and misleading but the RCC is still valid (naive)

–A2: the papal seat is empty, but traditional Roman theology is still correct (sedevacantism)

>EENS (#1) is wrong, especially if taken to mean "the church" as the RCC

-justification by faith alone

If you are a mainstream roman catholic today, you're either not paying attention or you're a doublethink idiot. I mean that charitably, because it is very urgent that you reconcile your doctrine before God.

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cf545e No.9799

>>9795

I have no interest in a polemic, your mutilated Word of God (66 books) and your man-made religion, that wasn't even an inkling of a minutia of extant thought during the time those dogmas I just posted were defined. You follow Luther.

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cf545e No.9800

>>9799

Furthermore, St. Augustine famously stated that he would not believe the Scriptures themselves had the authority of the Church not proposed it to him. There is required a supernatural formal motive of faith and this rule of faith must be an infallible one and not rooted in private judgment. Let's say you have a missionary who teaches some dying savage about the Holy Trinity and Incarnation. Said savage them embraces these truths and is baptized.  He has no knowledge of the Church or authority of the Church. In this vague state of mind, he has the bare minimum to be saved as a Catholic. So, if you had someone growing up in a schismatic region who had this same very simple and confused view of the faith, then it's possible that this person remains a Catholic. But non-Catholics cannot be saved. That is DEFINED DOGMA. If they are saved, it's because they are Catholic and have not fallen into schism.

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aaf7fd No.9801

>>9799

>>9800

I'll take that as a "no".

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e164b1 No.9965

>>9345

What is BoB and LoT

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06e3f1 No.10070

>>9800

Augustine was a Manichaean (celibacy, gnosticism, pseudo-buddhist) faggot who only "converted" right around the time Theodosius made it "illegal" to be pagan.

Please read the ANTE-NICENE fathers, AKA, the actual Apostolic Christians.

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45dc6a No.8265 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

Fruits of the reformation

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83997e No.10036

>>10034

I don't know why he would call that "Protestant banter" considering the reformers recognized the Franks as the 'good guys' in their historic dispute with the Greeks

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f08338 No.10049

>>8660

>I'm about finished with this level of blasphemy against God's word.

Oh, like ripping 6 inspired books out of the Bible? You literally follow a twentieth century movement (KJV-onlyism).

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1ab7dd No.10050

>>10049

strawman

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f08338 No.10051

>>10050

What did I say that was false? Please elucidate me.

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1ab7dd No.10063

>>10051

you're dodging an argument by attacking an unrelated position that you're ascribing to your debate opponent.

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0d2e76 No.10021 [Open Thread]

What are Protestants' (any denomination, don't care really) views on the essence-energy distinction?

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02123e No.10023

Polytheism.

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0d2e76 No.10025

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>>10023

Can you elaborate?

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7dca66 No.10027

>>10021

I doubt they know about it enough to have an opinion on it, anon. It's a uniquely EO doctrine that even Catholics and some Oriental Orthodox don't know about, so everybody just misinterprets it.

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ef9c4c No.10028

It isn't a question that has ever been raised to us, so we don't know what the formulation is, but about our theology proper, we have always agreed with Thomism about God, and for those of us in the Reformed tradition 'Thomistic' theology proper has often formed the bedrock of our beliefs. And a relevant side note, in the 17th century one of the minor issues the remonstrants made a fuss about was the filioque clause. They wanted it removed from the creed (though not on any theological grounds, they simply felt it was not taught in scripture and should consequently be left to freedom), and the response of the Reformed leaders of the day was to reassert the validity, orthodoxy and biblicity of the filioque clause.

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85e69f No.9076 [Open Thread]

Guys, we're doing pretty well here, free from the Papist mod mafia. We've grown significantly in the last few months, and now we're slowly but surely catching up to /christian/, with 1/2 to 1/3 of the traffic. Of course, /christian/ still has the large advantage of being the biggest Christian board, but because so many Protestants and Orthodox left the discussion there, it has become stale, cringey, and a Papist circlejerk - so not a very attractive board.

Our mission is very simple, don't partake in the discussion there, not even to bash Papists. Just, whenever you can, go there and link back to this board in as many threads as possible. For example:

"This board is heavily censored by the Papist mods, for a free discussion go to:

>>>/christianity/

>>>/baptist/

>>>/orthodox/

"

Remember to use sage so the mods don't notice that the threads are being bumped.

Only a free discussion is the path towards theological truth. Let's make /christianity/ the #1 Christian board on 8chan!

God bless you all!

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48bad6 No.9952

>>9908

this. The more they ban, the less your post will be seen by someone genuinely interested, and not reported by some butthurt catholic.

Just focus on driving this board's traffic. We will overtake them soon enough with good recruitment strategy, good modding, and good posting. No need to go fucking with their cesspit.

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c1eb9a No.9957

>>9952

This. So much this. If the ridiculous Catholics want to create a total hugbox with no discussion of doctrine, let them. This board should be your place to post, boards on 8chan typically die due to word filters, but bad moderation kills them just as good. We just have to be patient and stop posting on /christian/.

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a544aa No.10010

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My advice is just focus on building a nice board here preferably with less talking about the other board or just endless Catholic bashing. I understand most people have come here because of the unfair treatment over at /christian/, but this board is now becoming decently popular. I don't think there is any need to have to overtake that. Let tutor and his cult run that board.

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4d2f8d No.10014

>>10010

amen

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3c8a83 No.10019

Honestly the mods on /christian/ are doing a fine job of bringing people over here. I lurk both on here and /christian/ and my first thread I had about questions regarding doctrine was deleted.

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f896e6 No.9403 [Open Thread]

What is going on over at /christian/?!

EVERY SINGLE THREAD HAS DOZENS AND DOZENS OF DELETED POSTS! AND I MEAN EVERY SINGLE THREAD WITHOUT EXCEPTION!!

Is it a new mod or something? Was it always like this?!

https://8ch.net/christian/res/822741.html#823006

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a41a8d No.9968

>>9905

But that's not the limit of the bans and deletions though, it's indiscriminate, there's no rhyme or reason to them, they come for cats and non cats here there and everywhere, the other thread testifies to that.

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f9a0ec No.9980

>>9968

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f9a0ec No.9981

>>9968

Christian was bad from the time Alex strated to get new mods, but it was still usable.

I think what destroyed the sub was discord. After discord there came to be a tightly knit group on the discord server and it seemed like arguing with that any members of that group would result in mod action and members of that group would carry a lot of weight in asking for bans.

I think a sub becomes unusable through moderation when moderation becomes so strong that it starts to be like a powerful third person in any debate or discussion and the people start changing their discussion style to fit moderation - you see this a lot on reddit where people argue a certain way to provoke a certain resposne and then request a ban. And Christian is certain in that league

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a01a44 No.10008

>>9981

I am sad that the board seems to be rapidly dying out with far few PPH and such. Oh well… and I agree they are a bunch of loonies in the discord. I posted one small thing and that tutor guy send literally a massive three paragraph statement. I can tell his idiotic theology he believes that you should kiss the feet of where priests walk (some saint said this so he thinks this is so true) and you shoudln't be on the internet and just read whatever he sanctions as good reading (tutor sanctions). He thinks he's some sort of pseudo pope almost and his spiritual advice is the right way to go. We shouldn't look at news, we shouldn't discuss theology that interests us, we should kiss the ground that the priest walks on, obey literally anything a priest says, literally anything as long as it isn't abject sin. So if a priest says to walk 10 miles and use a public toilet 10 times, you should do it according to His Holiness Tutor. And if you don't like it, BANNED. The guy is delusional and power has gone to his head. And sadly he is killing the board.

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a01a44 No.10009

>>9870

Post count has been rapidly dropping since even a few months ago. The mod team is getting crazier and crazier

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3be804 No.9966 [Open Thread]

I sincerely apologize for the blogpost; I meant to post this in the relationship general on /christian/ but I was preemptively banned for nothing of course. My deepest apologies for starting a thread just for myself, let this be our relationship general then.

I am facing an existential problem; I used to be severely autistic and lame, unable to hold a conversation with anyone, totally fried with estrogen and insecurity and totally fucked up. as I grew older I remedied this greatly, through a series of events, relationships, and realisations that helped me come out of my shell. I've been doing fine since, but every now and again I find myself in such an awkward situation I begin to fear my whole life, if I may be hyperbolic. I find myself now, without immediate close friends, only people whom I have to act as someone else to, and never hang out with. My parents don't even believe I have any friends, which is such an existential insult to the male heir of their bloodline… a young man who is to become a man; with every skill and competency and piece of experience that comes with that. I am not a monk; I will need that growth. But this feels like maturation purgatory; what I mean is, this is intolerable.

I've also largely stagnated in this matter the past two years and I am seriously wondering if it is too late for me to grow into a likeable, good, not pathologically wrecked person carrying a ton of mental baggage around all the time. I, dare i say, know my purpose in life already, God have mercy on me, and it is absolutely essential I'm not for the matter. I've never felt dread like this, and I don't know whether to submit wholly and just be a physically vacant soul just adrift on God's will or try my hardest and just keep trying to grow, even with the mass of shame and indignity which constitutes my immediate and greater past.

I'm lying, I already know I'll devote my life to the latter, but it seems such a desperate and sad bid; for when I do devote my life to this thing that comes naturally to everyone, what else could I possibly devote it to, what else could I even do. I realise this is a very tiring and vague post, but has anyone had any similar experiences.

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3bcf84 No.9973

>>9966

Get on my level, I've been friendless for 5 years now, but it's what brought me back to God in the first place.

The best thing you can do, besides being a Christian, is manning up and not taking yourself too seriously. A man doesn't care if he's alone, cold, hot, hungry, thirsty; that is essential manliness, robustness of character and purpose regardless of circumstance. So get over yourself.

And lift.

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3bcf84 No.9974

>>9973

I want to add, I think a man should have good and deep friendships with other men. I for one lived in a foreign country for the past 5 years, and everyone here is both a liberal degenerate and racially different than me. This is why I couldn't make friends, but I'm going back to my own country so I will in the future.

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35740b No.9986

>>9966

>fried with estrogen

Are you meaning this symbolically or were you taking hrt?

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051982 No.9158 [Open Thread]

As a man, I am completely disenfranchized in modern society. Is there a way to revive the traditional family values? I can't figure out a way for me to convince a woman this is the way to go, when I can't really believe it's possible myself anymore.

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051982 No.9161

>>9160

More likely this:

>>>/b2/res/501449.html

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f1741a No.9177

>>9158

There are no women at your church?

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051982 No.9180

>>9177

The only ones I ever met through church functions were incoherent schizos, who are mired in repulsive neurotic insecurities. Whatever moral system remains to be taught by these churches, has been long since buried in nonsense. But the sane ones are working in their rational self-interest, which is to enslave potential high earners with the child support system, by having their kid and dumping them for the guy they really want. Fidelity is nowhere to be found in the current social climate.

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b08d82 No.9916

>>9158

Women adopt the beliefs of their men. Be a good man, and your wife will become a good woman. Just don't have tv and internet so she can't be tricked into appeasing a fake community instead of her actual community.

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b16903 No.9956

>>9158

“You must not marry and have sons or daughters in this place.” For this is what the Lord says about the sons and daughters born in this land and about the women who are their mothers and the men who are their fathers: “They will die of deadly diseases. They will not be mourned or buried but will be like dung lying on the ground. They will perish by sword and famine, and their dead bodies will become food for the birds and the wild animals.” (Jeremiah 16:2-4)

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582582 No.8883 [Open Thread]

What is the difference between judaism and christianity?

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582582 No.9063

>>9040

I see. Schizos claiming they're God aren't exactly treated that well today either. I mean, aside from Kanye, of course. Hope he's doing better now.

>>9041

Now we're getting somewhere. This stuff is rampant where I'm from. In fact, I left the country because shit got out of hand.

>>9042

Aand there's >>>/pol/ again. It's not my position. I'm just reporting how the system works.

How is christian law supposed to stack up, compared to the anal rulecuckery described?

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295e4c No.9436

bump

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bc5385 No.9439

Jesus

This one factor drastically differentiates everything on fundamental level between the two faiths, be it Theological or Anthropological

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1db6df No.9444

>>8893

Well said. Thessalonians also says they're the enemies of all mankind and I believe in the book of John it says they're of their father the devil.

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409d6a No.9915

>>9063

>It's not my position

Yes it is. You are saying black and white thinking is by definition wrong. That is both idiotic, and hypocritical as it is itself black and white thinking.

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adfa7a No.9850 [Open Thread]

What did he mean by this?

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369792 No.9866

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It means herr Luther was based and redpilled

It's a joke

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72ae4d No.9825 [Open Thread]

Honestly, I agree with Luther that Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation are not scripture. They shouldn't be included in the New Testament, or at the very least placed in a separate apocryphal section as the deuterocanonicals are. Say what you want but my conviction as a Lutheran is firm in this matter. Salvation is by faith alone. This is what Jesus says, this is what Paul says, this is what John says, this is what Peter says. The above writings are doctrinally erroneous and fail to preach the same Gospel of Jesus and Paul and John and Peter. They were disputed in the early Church and apostolic authorship for them hasn't even been thoroughly demonstrated.

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f2b10d No.9826

>>9825

Honestly, you're going to hell. Repent.

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7d967f No.9830

>Honestly, I agree with Luther

I agree with Jesus Christ.

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02b165 No.9835

>>9825

babies are cute :) God's little gifts from above am i right

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e329ae No.9860

>>9825

>he above writings are doctrinally erroneous

No they are not.

>fail to preach the same Gospel of Jesus and Paul and John and Peter

No they do not.

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8a1314 No.10005

>>9825

So how are things over at the hugbox that is /christian/ ?

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0279a3 No.5237 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

Guys let's try our hardest to overtake /christian/ as the #1 Christian board on this site. Let's set some goals here.

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3d5a03 No.9789

I had a hard time finding this board because it was so far up the list. Good job guys, keep it up.

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1b4044 No.9791

/christian/ is terrible you can't have actual discussions there all you can do is ask catholic based questions and tell people to pray the rosary, it's really insane that it's busier than here

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e12f16 No.9836

>>9791

>and tell people to pray the rosary, it's really insane that it's busier than here

lol, fucking this

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065165 No.9838

>>9836

no bad words

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5da73f No.9859

>>9838

There's no such thing as a bad word.

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ed2c6f No.9839 [Open Thread]

For the heretics call upon the scriptures by vainly twisting its words and creating their own meanings, and they even cite the prophet Moses who said,

"Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:"

(Deut 5:8)

But what did that holy prophet Daniel write?

"I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened." (Dan 7:9-10)

And who would admit that the Ancient of days is another than the Father himself? For both the Ancient of days and the Son of Man are spoken about here, God the Father and God the Son. Thus an icon of God is conjured up in our minds, and it was surely the intention of the prophet to do so, for why would he have described the Deity if he had not intended for an icon of him to become present in our minds? Even in the Old Testament there is a depiction.

(It must be noted that Icons may be generated in our minds by other means,

"He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler." (Pslm 91:4)

Indeed, the Psalms, and the Old Testament in its entirety, often speaks about God anthropomorphically. Yet it must be admitted here that the intentions of the psalmist and of the other authors are metaphorical rather than mystical in nature, like that of Daniel, and must only be considered a drop in the bucket of this defense, and this is known by their lack of true description. Now the Icons these generate in our mind are unintentional are have been spoken of so we might better identify with God as men or to stir up our love fPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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ed2c6f No.9841

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(…Continued)

And do the scriptures contradict themselves when they tell us the prophets such as Abraham our father, Moses the law giver, Ezekiel, or Daniel saw God, yet they also say no man has seen God at anytime until he was fully revealed in the flesh? Heavens no! For we know the scriptures must not always be taken so literally, as they themselves admit as demonstrated above. Yet the scriptures also clarify themselves when they say,

"And he said, 'Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock: And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by: And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.'" (Exod 33:20-23)

What is meant here is the substance. For when it says Moses spoke to God face to face it means only insofar as God was revealed to him through the divine energies and not in substance.

If God then was willing to give an icon to Daniel in the Old Testament, and show the angels to Isaiah and Ezekiel also, how much more has he given us an Icon of himself in the unity of the hypostatic union? The very substance that is God dwelling on Earth, born from a virgin, dying on a cross, and conquering death forever.

Why was is that God gave these laws? "And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:" (Exod 32:9) Being prone to idolatry and worship of the heavenly hosts, God gave them these commandments. For this reason he chose them because he himself says, "They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." (Mark 2:17) The Hebrews, and those of Judah especially, were the most spiritually ill of all the sons of men. God would not have picked Abraham if he had not foreseen the wickedness of his many descendants.

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517aa7 No.9842

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>>9841

>>9839

>Orthodox

>The biggest iconoclast calls others heretics for being iconoclasts.

Oh the irony. Also tl;dr

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