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Ya'll need Mises.

File: c108ca4a9745646⋯.jpg (312.73 KB,1200x1800,2:3,HansHermannHoppe_wn.jpg)

 No.103271 [Open Thread]

Is this the best English libertarian imageboard? Is it the only one?

Has there ever been a dedicated site for a libertarian imageboard, that would be detached from the porn and controversy of this larger site?

The free and anonymous nature of an imageboard seems to go hand in hand with libertarian philosophy, just like the observed overlap into the free software movement.

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 No.103297

>>103290

>nyaa~ faggot from Germany is a nigger

I think he's pretty cool, but he's kinda blackpilled.

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 No.103307

>>103271

>English libertarian

What's that Christcuck?

>>103291

But what about freedom of speech and the right to a platform?

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 No.103308

>>103307

>right to a platform

That isn't a thing.

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 No.103313

>>103307

>right to a platform

To expand on >>103308, right to a platform isn't a thing because a platform requires some kind of capital (internet connection, a broadcasting station, bandwidth, data, etc). To say that you have a right to a platform would mean that you have a right to coerce a provider to give you use of their capital, which is theft.

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 No.103315

>>103307

>>English libertarian

>What's that Christcuck?

It's a libertarian imageboard for English readers

I wouldn't mind a pagan free board though

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 No.103163 [Open Thread]

another proof that women vote for socialists and men vote for right wing

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 No.103299

>>103294

Glancing at female imageboards, I noticed that feminists there have built their entire ideology on coping mechanisms, they conveniently ignore or justify everything that hurts their ego, if they are out having a fun time with a guy, and after a week of dating they stop liking him for some reason, they will not say "yeah, I judged him incorrectly, I should be more careful next time", they will justify the fact that they were with this guy as them being "manipulated" by him or something and genuinely forget it ever happened until a thread appears on the specific topic and they share details about it with disclaimers and "I didn't really want to do it" thrown in here and there.

You can understand how this lack of conscientiousness applies to other areas in life, such a person would say they were "forced by capitalism" into getting a useless diploma, or "shamed" into having children with some alcoholic fuckboy, or they were "pressured by society" to make every wrong choice about their lives, yet magically every good choice they make is their own and they take full credit for it (until they become unhappy with that too). A lot of women and also men do this to some extent, it's coping mechanisms after all, but it takes a really emotionally unhinged person to cope so hard.

Healthy people want freedom to be more responsible about their own lives, with responsiblity comes empowerment, which is actually what feminism is supposed to be about, but being the government-subsidized totalitarian ideology that it really is, it depends on mentally ill losers with no control over their own lives to control other people's lives and delegate this control to big daddy government. Whether we're dealing with fascists, liberals, feminists, or any other socialist, these people do want freedom or empowerment or anything they claim to stand for, they want freedom from responsibility and to be pampered like children in some kind of neverending childhood. It is an ideology that literally takes the worst and most evil aspects that humans have to offer and unites them into some kind of many-headed abomination that regrows two heads for every one that you cut off.

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 No.103303

Right wing socialists exist you know? Sadly they don't have any institutional power atm.

Also liberal =/= socialist. Most women vote in liberal centrists, not actual communists. And believe me there have been cases of extremist communists like the URA in Japan, though most Revolutionary Socialists aren't a fan of voting just like individualist anarchists. Most prefer direct action.

That being said, a person like Franco or Pinochet has little chance as well.

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 No.103304

>>103299

Women exist on imageboards? News to me, unless you're referring to /cow/ which is a gossip board for low hanging fruit, which doesn't surprise me in the least.

Also if women are such good judges of character and read body language better than men, you'd think they would'nt go date criminals and niggers yet here we are.

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 No.103305

In short, women hate extremism or anything that rocks the boat too much. Also water is wet.

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 No.103306

>>103304

>Women exist on imageboards? News to me, unless you're referring to /cow/ which is a gossip board for low hanging fruit, which doesn't surprise me in the least.

Spotted the newfag. They always lurked and posted on imageboards, they have at least two imageboards exclusively for themselves.

>Also if women are such good judges of character and read body language better than men, you'd think they would'nt go date criminals and niggers yet here we are.

tbh if I were a wahman I would probably date criminals over soyboy cucks too, it's actually really nuanced and there's a lot of reasons why a criminal would probably be a better choice than some nice guy, at least from a safety standpoint (as contradictory as it sounds), but this is not to say that criminals are a good option. As for the niggers, that's just a retarded meme /pol/ happily gobbbled up from Shlomo being the cucks they are. According to statistics, white women are the most loyal to their own race out of women of all other races and about twice as more loyal to their own race than white men.

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 No.103200 [Open Thread]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYEUHk16yk4

Hey guys,

So I'm going through this video and trying to cite what hoppe says about nazi germany and while I can find sources to prove what he says about nazi germany I CANNOT find any sources for the quotes he says comes from hitler. Can anyone help me? I assume possibly that he is pulling quotes from hitler which are originally spoken and written in german. If thats the case I'd like to have these exact quotations cited to me so that I can validate them.

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 No.103203

>>103200 (OP)

I won't do all the work for you nigger. give me the specific things you want and I'll try to find them in german, if it's about stuff hitler said, try looking in "hitler's table talk"

>https://archive.org/stream/HitlerTableTalk/Hitler%20TableTalk_djvu.txt

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 No.103205

>>103203

Obviously I'm not expecting you to find and prove every quote that is said in the speech, that would be just ridiculous. But if I could be given some sort of archive of things hitler said or wrote that would be nice. Now originally the whole reason I started watching this video was to learn if hitler's economy is TRULY socialist or not. There are quotes that are said in this speech such as hitler more or less basically saying he will centrally plan the economy. If you by the off chance knew any of these quotes off the top of your head (or really any proof to give me that his economy is basically socialist) I would appreciate it if you shared them with me.

Now right now im tired and when I wake up I'll go back through the video again and ask you precisely which of these quotes I'm looking for.

Thanks.

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 No.103207

>>103205

it depends on what you mean by socialism, in the austro-libertarian sense his economic policy was socialist or centrally planned, others would just simply call keynesian. since I can't be bothered to go through everything myself I'll just link you a mises wire article that explores this topic and provides sources and one written by lew rockwell.

>https://mises.org/library/nazi-economic-policy

>https://www.lewrockwell.com/2003/08/lew-rockwell/hitler-was-a-keynesian/

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 No.103256

>>103207

> in the austro-libertarian sense his economic policy was socialist

…and nothing about this sentence is disturbing to anyone.

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 No.103241 [Open Thread]

https://www.geekwire.com/2019/learn-disinformation-spreads-scientists-track-cryptocurrency-gets-talked/

So apparently (((DARPA))) is now subsidizing research on how to manipulate cryptocurrency markets. This is disgusting.

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 No.103244

DARPA doesn't subsidize research. They subsidize monopolies. They're going to try to create a monolithic corporate entity to control cryptocurrency markets. Count on it.

Goddam. Does everything the government does have to be so fucking depressing and make me want to kill myself?

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 No.103245

>>103241

>mapped the ebb and flow of Reddit’s discussions

That is like mapping random noise.

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 No.103250

>>103245

…Reddit is such a goddam hivemind that I sincerely doubt that there's much, if any, random noise.

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 No.97996 [Open Thread][Last 50 Posts]

Old one is auto-saging. Basic questions about /liberty/, socialist "gotchas" masquerading as basic questions, etc., go here. If you have a "what about ____" question you'd like to ask that you're really, really sure will stump everyone this time, do a quick look over this list: (http://archive.is/bbtHt) before you post–chances are, someone has asked that question before, and there's already an answer or answers available to you.

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 No.103501

Even though I find anarcho-capitalism interesting I have a few hang ups. I don't necessarily want to rely on mercenaries for my defense. If others want to then fine. I just prefer to have my own guns to defend myself.

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 No.103503

How would property rights work for rivers and lakes? Say if a river goes through your property do you own that part of the river or the whole thing?

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 No.103506

If the rest of the world balkanized would it still be possible to develop advanced technology? Like space travel for example. Could developing space travel still be possible in a world that has been balkanized and consists of tiny countries since space travel was normally state sponsored? I know there could be companies doing it I just wonder if it'll be enough.

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 No.103573

Bump

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 No.103620

>>102923

I used to listen to the Vin Armani podcast. He was more of an agorist but I found it interesting because of the guests he would bring on. They would show their alternatives to the state and I do like seeing solutions to this kind of stuff. I think he changed up the podcast and doesn't post as much but it's still up on his youtube channel.

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File: ba7c4e79b5e7b48⋯.png (11.57 KB,1372x102,686:51,thoughts.png)

 No.103156 [Open Thread]

Thoughts?

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 No.103171

That's democracy, OP, not capitalism.

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 No.103173

>>103167

OP is a rentier, not a welfare queen not a NEET leech.

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 No.103177

>>103156

Fagbook libertarian niggers who start threads with "thoughts?" Instead of stating their opinions or admitting they support the thing they posted deserve the rope. That's my thoughts.

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 No.103183

>>103177

Why would you say that? I am genuinely curious. :^)

Fuck the phrase "I am genuinely curious"/"I am curious." If you really were curious, you wouldn't need to declare it.

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 No.103189

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 No.103109 [Open Thread]

Let's talk about Kowloon. Was Kowloon ancap?

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 No.103124

>run by gangs

>ancap

what

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 No.103128

>>103124

That was in the 70s and early 80s, after then the gangs hung out there, but it wasn't really 'run by gangs.'

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 No.103132

File: 5c640f5c0bde000⋯.png (1.12 MB,1391x728,107:56,ClipboardImage.png)

>>103128

I'm just going by the video

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 No.103161

>>103124

Do you know what private contractors and private defense agencies are fag?

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 No.103172

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File: acee1ae8d0c4eac⋯.png (557.79 KB,500x600,5:6,old meme.png)

 No.102648 [Open Thread]

Most libertarians and minarchists refuse to acknowledge healthcare as a service that should be provided by the goverment (nothing wrong with that), while, simultaneously use a wishy washy logic to, through massive amounts of cognitive disonance, say that the local goverment should provide a firefighter service funded by everyone.

Don't get me wrong, it makes sense that minarchists defend a vigilante government that provides police, free courthouses and a small body of soldiers to defend and ONLY defend the country (no foreign intervention allowed) as law, order and stability are public goods, however, I don't see how firefighters are one.

>fire spreads

So do germs and disease, that does not mean that healthcare is a right and that I should fund firefighters to protect you, your property and your business.

>firefighters allow me to defend my property, my bodily autonomy and mantain it at its fullest

So do most welfare programs, but you are a libertarian, not a social democrat, be coherent.

>firefighters are more efficient when they a provided by the government

We are talking about liberty and freedom, not efficiency, that's not libertarianism, that's utilitarianism.

Charity, Pharma research, banking, academia funding and healthcare are also more efficiently provided by the government (or that's what utilitarians say), but that's not an argument against freedom.

Utilitarianism is fucking intellectual cancer.

If you unironically think that efficiency justifies it you are a social democrat that believes in trickle-down economics, not a libertarian

Read Ayn Rand "the Virtue of Egoism": Libertarian ethics are based upon ethical egoism, rationalism and hedonism instead of upon utilitarianism or empirism, other people's happiness are nothing of your concern, and according to our concept of Free Will and human rationality, it is better for them to be like so.

<ibn4 reddit spacing

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 No.103150

>>103148

>1) Fires are natural disasters. Getting sick is not.

Stopped reading there.

Nice blattant contradiction. How are diseases any less natural that fires?

95% of fires are man-caused and almost 100% of the casualties are caused indirectly by human beings.

You are a Christian, so I don't really have any hope in your intelligence to start with.

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 No.103151

>>103107

GTFO utilitarianist.

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 No.103152

>>103148

>Fires are natural disasters. Getting sick is not.

BTW, what the fuck has to do nature with freedom to start with?

Aggresion, murder, rape and theft are natural, but we still oppose those concepts.

Nice Naturalistic Falacy deranged Christcuck.

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 No.103154

>>103152

>>103150

Nice lack of reading comprehension. Diseases are natural but not "natural disasters" (unless they are pandemics).

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 No.103162

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>>103150

>>103152

Niggers tongue your anus. See >>103154 faggot.

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 No.103123 [Open Thread]

49 second

is it professor Hoppe? :o

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 No.103126

>The Best Hebrew Songs Ever

Anon, what have you been watching?

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 No.103127

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 No.103144

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 No.103160

>>103123

RENT FREE

OBSESSED

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 No.101989 [Open Thread]

For thousands of years of human history we lived in misery and suffering.

Then the planets aligned, and by some miracle we got some sort of capitalism and we got out of misery. Yet most people don't understand this and want to go back to the same policies we used for thousands of years and that kept us in misery and suffering, which is the starting point in nature.

What we're living is a big exception. I wonder how many times in history a society got close enough to start a capitalist revolution towards riches, and yet people started to bullshit and complain, forcing everyone to remain into poverty.

And it's not like things are getting better, you just have to look at how the average economics degree holder don't understand shit and has the same economic insights and knowledge of the average non-student.

Humanity is condemned to go back to the natural state, suffering and misery. Not because of a lack of resources or due to some major catastrophe, but due to its own inability to appreciate what it got.

Fuck this.

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 No.103032

>>102018

>organisms do well when given giant piles of resources.

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 No.103040

>>103032

I'm not even going to say anything.

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 No.103098

>>101992

Brainlet doesn't understand demographic transition.

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 No.103131

>>103032

Only if that were true then africans would be kangs

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 No.103143

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 No.103136 [Open Thread]

This picture is illegal in Australia.

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 No.103140

Fuck her, fuck her good.

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 No.102980 [Open Thread]

What do you think about democracy?

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 No.103005

>>103004

This. In a sense, it's even worse than communism. In communism you know who the enemy is and it has a form, but in democracy society is divided against itself and evil hides in ambiguity.

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 No.103045

"democracy isnt perfect but we never had to build a wall to keep our people from leaving"

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 No.103048

>>103045

Cattle doesn't try to flee when it's already tamed

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 No.103068

>>103045

People don't leave because the relatively free markets have made them wealthy and comfortable, not because of any ideological benefit from democracy. Why do you think migrants from third world shitholes are so eager to come to Western countries, so they can vote? Of course not, they just want the gibs.

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 No.103113

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 No.102715 [Open Thread]

Great. 2020 is going to a full-on 100% card carrying communist v. Mr. Tariff Man.

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 No.102939

>>102812

Huh, didn't know that.

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 No.102948

>>102939

>Conceived by the founder of Instituto Mises Brasil, Hélio Beltrão, in collaboration with members of the Ministry of Economy, the Executive Provisional Act is a set of rules designed to boost free enterprise and impose limits to government intervention over small businesses.

https://fee.org/articles/brazil-pivots-toward-economic-freedom/

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 No.103073

>>102948

Thanks anon.

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 No.103112

>>103073

i learned it from kelthuz but the vlog he speaks about it is in polish sadly

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 No.103159

>>102715

>democratic socialists are socialists

>national socialists are socialists

Are you brain damaged OP?

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 No.103101 [Open Thread]

Some buddies of mine have opened a new political discord, and I just wanted to advertise it to you guys: https://discord.gg/PCpGM43

We do not intend to ban any ideologies, so any lurking leftyfags are also welcome to join in.

Why have we opened it? Because the good discords have become insular, and hardly let in new members. There are some that let in everyone and have no quality control whatsoever, and others which set out to be circlejerks, or of which I know they will be circlejerks because their admins are frankly idiots. So with this one, we want to return to the golden days of /rwa/ and /lrg/, if any of you know it.

Picture unrelated, and thanks for reading.

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 No.103103

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>any lurking leftyfags are also welcome to join in.

Classic /liberty/. Why do you guys enjoy being such cucks?

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 No.102201 [Open Thread]

Realistic? implying you would know

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 No.102235

>>102231

You really think all 1 million of those NPCs are being simulated every tick?

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 No.102238

>>102231

Most of those complex mathematics go into simulating tesselated polygons–an intensive but repetitive task. Normies are simplistic, but they're just a big more complicated than triangles, so it would require a lot of processing power to stimulate the decision-making process of just one normie. I think Hayek called this the knowledge problem. No, it's not the calculation problem, that's different.

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 No.103099

The first thing to realize is that a planned city is not necessarily unfree. The point of planning a free city isn't so much to account for the most likely actions of it's residents in advance. The point of planning a free city is to set up various systems that will exist for that city which will ensure the freedom of that city. Of course, there are some things which can be planned, such as trash disposal/recycling, fire-extinction, medicine,, but there would be some difference in how they would be planned in a libertarian city as compared to a governmental city.

I think one of the things I dislike about this board is that there is too much focus on ideology without concrete, specific action (beyond outcry against something that happened in our statist dystopia). Yes, I'm accusing you of circlejerking. Get your act together! I think what this board needs is some constructive project. I propose that we try to plan a specific city to be a good libertarian city. For the sake of starting things off, why don't we go with Detroit, as it seems like the governments and just about everyone else are more-or-less neglecting Detroit.

I'm not saying we should actually go to detroit and implement the plan, but that we should, as a collective thought experiment, figure out the details in terms of a real place. What say you?

-Not from Detroit.

Is there a term for 'resident of Detroit'? If not, I propose "Detroitoise" or "Detroitante" or something else in keeping with the Frenchiness of "Detroit"

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 No.103100

>>102231

>so if you imagine the complex mathematics that goes on in rendering the graphics of a game like that, why can't we just apply the same processing power to simulating human behaviour?

Dwarf Fortress basically does this on a micro-scale. A fortress will usually crap out with a couple hundred of individuals.

You'll probably have to have Aurora 4x tier graphics to have a thousand individuals simulated.

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 No.103102

>>103099

>is there a term for 'resident of Detroit?'

Nigger.

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