/liberty/ - Liberty

>>100878

>Want me to read it?

Look, you queer, no one "wants" you to read this. No one gives a shit if you adopt our views or not, it's not as if adding a room-temperature IQ bag of flesh to our ranks is going to provide us much benefit. If you want to "have a discussion," the onus is on you to make yourself literate enough to engage conversation. Part of that entails proving that you can engage in coherent argumentation, by which I mean something that occurs on a level above fallacious whataboutisms so depressingly common that people have compiled entire lists of them (http://v.i4031.net/StatistFallacies). People spam articles at you because their time can't be wasted answering questions that they've already answered a dozen times over, posed by a dozen different socialist retards, each of which thinks he's being original. By reading and absorbing the articles, you prove that you have the attention span to engage in your much-vaunted "discussion" on a level which does not waste our time. If you woud like to earn the privilege of a proper reply, prove that you are worthy of it.

>it’s something you put zero effort into.

Once again, you have thus far given no indication that you are worth the effort.

>>100722

>Please for the love of god stop just posting misses articles. At least post some green texts of highlights I’ve wasted so much time reading your guys garbage. Ill read this when i get a chance but put some effort into your posting especially if you expect me to take 30 mins out of my day to read your shit.

Well I did my best, but I think you're out of your depth intellectually here dude. This is like sophomore level econ. It makes sense now that you're a boomer republican. This entire response proves that you are a retard.

>>100708

This guy's right. Monopolies are not inherently negative unless they're artificially propped up by anti free market policies. The point is, any "monopoly" you might think of was artificially propped up by anti free market policies. In a free market, the organization that best serves the consumer wins; that's how competition works. Monopolies as you think of them only happen when the government intentionally suppresses competition so that there are fewer options in a market. It's really not that hard of a concept to understand, maybe try actually reading a book.

>>100859

Oh, it's just an excerpt. I'd have been surprised if he would read even that, but hey, at least he cannot say we didn't help him out.

>>100878

>make me believe you read it, and its not in bad faith, With a nice long effort post to spice up discussion.

>I have a job and a girlfriend sperg boy! I cant read everything especially when it’s something you put zero effort into.

Believe it or not, you're not the only one here who has a life. That I do is the reason why I don't tend to make as many posts as I used to, especially because a lot of the time, it simply didn't pay off. I had a very cordial discussion with an anon once about the action-axiom, and he thanked me for making him understand it better. Months later, he claims I did not help him. Not to mention the dozens of times I dropped names, dates, statistics, and even sources in discussions, only for people to ignore them. So yes, I don't make a big effort for just anyone, not anymore.

Anyway now, here you go, the abbreviated version of Rothbards chapter, from my memory: Ancient Ireland had no political caste at all, no standing police or army, no law, and the kings only duty was to coordinate war efforts. He was commander in chief and that was it, he did nothing else, ever. Criminal punishments were fines, to be collected by private persons, and instead of courts, you had freelance jurists, who also held no political power. Their office, if you may call it so, was founded on custom and reputation. Despite all this, Ireland was doing quite well.

Your name is either Scott, or you just came to hear about the Beatles. But anyways, yeah, back then they had a crazy high taxation rate on the wealthy, and Harrison just learned that he was part of that club all of a sudden. I don't think it's being based, I think it's part of a "Free gibs pls" thing.

Pay attention to the bass line@0:57 , it suddenly goes Blackbird. Speaking of Blackbird, it's a favorite of mine. Paul can play genius-tier bass lines.

Speaking of genius-tier bass: John Entwiste.

>>100823

Is this the /liberty/ music thread?

>>100118

The Nazis weren't even Socialist, it's just a name. They were just fascists. The fact that so many Nazis on 8chan even claim they push socialism is, again, a sign of how fucking retarded poltards are.

>>100465

From your link:

>What Mises identified was that private ownership of the means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and that the actual substance of ownership of the means of production resided in the German government. For it was the German government and not the nominal private owners that exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the nominal private owners would be permitted to receive. The position of the alleged private owners, Mises showed, was reduced essentially to that of government pensioners.

Very good points, gold star for the memes as well lol.

The counterpoints are that Otto Strasser got kicked out at some point and the Nazi Party became "anti-socialist", but in reality that really just means it became more totalitarian.

I concede, sir :)

That being said, they're still fucking fascists as well in my book,they really take the "best of both worlds" of the left-right poltical spectrum it seems.

>>99983

<it also does not help the Zionist agenda at all

It doesn't harm it either, in way it could actually help because it would make the economy more prosper and stable.

>>100469

>The counterpoints are that Otto Strasser got kicked out at some point and the Nazi Party became "anti-socialist"

What about Hitler himself? he frequently praised Stalin for his central-planning efforts, and some crazy regulatory shit happened under his economy.

>>88195

Don’t feed the Jews

>>87630

There obviously is a jewish conspiracy but it is disorganised, yes. That doesn't mean they themselves aren't aware of it or do not conspire with each other. It's not a bunch of heebs in one room trying to figure out how to destroy the white race, but many jews are working exactly on that and more.

>>93239

<There obviously is a jewish conspiracy but it is disorganised, yes

>but it is disorganised

It almost like Jews have both lefties and right wingers like anyone else, but it's easier to blame outsiders than admit your own people are shit as well.

>>93239

Nice necro

>>100337

Mises - Human Action.

>>100340

Ummmm… thanks?

Finished Edward Fesers Philosophy of Mind a while back, all in all a really good book, although not outstanding. I also read Peter Mansfields A History of the Middle East, which focused too much on political history for my taste, while it barely gave such events as the Armenian genocide any space at all, but it was nevertheless quite good. A decent primer if you want to understand this region of the world.

>>100347

the anime nigger

>>100846

Ah yes, sorry. That's Boku no Pico.

Killing people and taking their stuff works until it doesn't.

>>100798

in poland we had communism but not starvation and famine

>>100767

>public education is a mistake

That's where you're wrong. It's doing exactly what it was created to do.

>>100744

>individuals have right of ownership over … goods that they have created

That's communism.

>>100817

except they do not recognize private property rights, so they do not truly "own" anything

>>100817

No. The owners of factories have a valid right to the equipment and infrastructure of that factory, since their suppliers had valid right of ownership over the equipment and transferred it to the owners. The owners of factories are not obligated to let workers use this infrastructure for free. The employment contract that workers, of their own free will, agree to, grants right of ownership over the goods that the workers create (this right of ownership was freely transferred from the worker to the owner) in exchange for payment and use of factory infrastructure.

>>100819

>valid right

>free will

>right of ownership

Feel free to prove that any of these not only exist, but are inherently coherent concepts which can exist.

In this case, I don't think it completely follows that just because one statement is false (deregulation caused the financial crisis) that the inverse statement (over-regulation caused the financial crisis) is true. Over-regulation–namely, limiting the ratings agency market to only two firms through regulation, the Community Reinvestment Act and similar affirmative action ploys, and the federally backed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–may be what caused the collapse to happen within the financial and real estate sectors specifically. However, the root cause of the collapse is the same as it is for every other recession and depression: the Federal Reserve's systematic credit expansion. If you consider bailouts to be a form of regulation, then you can also say that regulations were responsible for the severity of the recession compared to other recessions, as it was the bailouts which allowed the collapse to spread beyond the financial sector into the rest of the economy.

>>100804

>You know what, I'm all for pre-emptively posting with a post that is completely flips around the /leftypol/posts we get on this board all the time even if it is a little wrong.

I appreciate the cheekiness as much as you do. It's just my autistic pedantry happens to override my appreciation.

Capitalism gets crises. That's all there is to it.

>>100759

Swedens success is due to their liberalism, not "muh socialism" like berniebro retards claim. The time the country even tipped its toe into socialism, it was a huge shitshow failure

>>100762

>huge social safety net

wasn't the pension system partially privatized?

>>100793

the video is all about Swedens history of liberalism

>>100795

Sorry, I didn't even notice the video.

>>100712

No, you just said whatever words necessary to make the bastards hand over those seeds you just bought. It's like clicking "I Agree" on the EULA for a video game - nobody reads the damn things, nobody cares about the damn things, they're unenforceable, and people just take the quickest route to make it go away and then they forget about it. Information is not scarce, and attempts to make information scarce have always ended in failure (and will continue to end in failure, because the idea is just that ludicrous). If I buy your seeds, they become my seeds, and then I can do what I want with them. That's how buying stuff works. Industries have had almost six hundred years since the invention of the printing press to adapt their way of thinking to a world where only material objects have scarcity, but they refuse to do so because they all want to go back to the time when it was possible to jealously hoard an idea and actually hope to succeed. They keep trying, they keep failing, and they keep looking ridiculous because of it.

>>100721

He's saying that's irrelevant because it's unenforceable. At that point it's too late to get your 10 McBitcoins. You may say "No, because they have goons" but at that point nothing matters because goons.

>>100775

so if i rent someone a bike and he agreed to give it back to me the next day then it is unenforceable so irrelevant and the bike is his?

>>100776

That is a breach of contract which results in theft, and is therefore enforceable. You would have a right to your bike back, and could bring this claim to court. What you can't do is say, "I sell you this bike, but if you paint it red I will take it back" in a contract and expect enforcement, because no theft has occurred.

>>100745

Here's a better question:

If you were a committed anarcho-commie, and decided to mask yourself and begin committing acts of terror, which set of actions would you choose?

>Beat up white working-class conservatives

>Destroy private cars/houses (i.e. not the MOP)

>Terrorize media pundits

>Knock over trash cans

or

>Burn down warehouses and capital

>Blow up Walmarts

>Attack law-enforcers

>Assassinate CEOs and politicians

he tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice

the tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice

Social welfare never existed in America at the level it does today. People literally strved to death not a lot but people did, we should go back to that tbh because we have a system now Breaks up families and incentivizes garbage people having children. Because the more garbage you are the more handouts you get the governments essentially a enabler to maintain the status quo.

We need a sink or swim system where people are forced to swim or sink. It seems strange but in the past it was the reason people had stronger family bonds in poor communities. Because they literally had to rely on their family or die. It’s not a nice way to live but its the best way. Just look at the Ways social welfare has destroyed black neighborhoods

Poor people survive on the benevolence of others, as it has been since before Christ, but in the libertarian ideal there is no forced charity.

Paradoxically, the absence of a welfare state would produce greater welfare for the lower class because the money would be more efficiently handled and people would be more generous, seeing a personal obligation.

>>100729

thanks for my new favorite pasta

the tldr is failed economic theories and models.

then libs posting somalia memes

then angry libertarians butchering classical liberal talking points in defence angrily.

thats how libertarian ism works

do yourself a favour red noam chomsky and don't pay mind to conservative economic theories they are all really fucking dumb.

if you like freedom become a normal anarchist/syndicalist and don't play in the kiddy pool of libertarianism to long my best advice

>>100287

>comparing sex to murder

And you have the gall to call anyone else deranged.

>>100287

im a scientist

not a pedo

>>100494

>im a scientist who wants to rape kids

>>100502

>for science.jpg

>>100502

kys

>>100652

this

he's complaining the fed isnt fed enough but they capitulated now just like peter schiff predicted so say goodbye to dollar purchasing power

Wait. So the Fed finally raised interest rates?

>>100676

The Fed started raising rates awhile back, a baby step at a time.

>>100676

>>100683

and then they said they werent going to until after 2020 so they capitulated

>>100582

Rationing will ensure goods don't end up where they're needed the most. You will always have some people in need of the good who cannot get it because of rationing, because the state cannot reliably estimate where it is needed, and you will have people buying all of the good solely because it is rationed, perhaps to sell it to the first group of people. The latter is actually a very productive acticity, it alleviates the bad effect of a system of rationing.

Besides, how would rationing help deal with inflation and artificial wage raises? It won't.

>>100582

The only rationing that should happen in a market is price gouging.

>>100523

What is that fucking thing? It looks like it's about to burst.

>>100610

My phat dick being cleaned of smegma.