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>>14088

>Hedonism implies some kind of perverse extremity of seeking sensual pleasure.

No, it really doesn't. Hedonism has been used as scapegoat by (((Christians))) the same way paganism or nihilism or more recently nationalism has.

Read the principal doctrines of Epicurus and tell me that it's not a very reasonable approach at life

>>14092

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>>14092

Here's another theory.

Hel = neutral afterlife, where you rejoin your family and your ancestors. the preferable outcome, since family is very important in this life as well as in the afterlife

Valhalla = some sort of consolation prize for the men that died far away from ancestral land, disconnected from family

If you're truly interested in the way the old germanic people viewed death and the afterlife I strongly recommend "The Road to Hel" by H.R. Ellis Davidson. It's an academic study that takes into account archaeological sources as well as literature.

>>14119

This seems very reasonable.

Is that book in the torrent?

>>14120

Here's a download link from the accessible heathenry project:

http://www.accessibleheathenryproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Road-To-Hel-Hilda-Roderick-Ellis.pdf

>>13959

Socrates was a Jew. No surprise that him and his followers promoted monotheism.

www.renegadetribune.com/socrates-jew/

>>14090

>Flint Stones turned up in fields

>Dum-dum pagans though they were made by lightning and called them thunderstones

OR MAYBE Y'KNOW THEY USED THEM TO SPARK FIRES LIKE LIGHTNING SPARKS FIRES SO THEY CALLED THEM THUNDERSTONES

Fucking kikepedia

>>14096

As in what represents it? A piece volcanic rock.

>>14100

And what god/spirit does it represent?

I want to carve some stones but hammering a chisel would be too loud for my apartment building. We do have a Dremel, and diamond coated drill bits are pretty cheap for them if buying generic brand bits. I can decorate small stones with fine detail if using a Dremel. I think I'll have to pass on butter anointing due to insects.

>>14090

Ah, this is the type of thread that gives me some hope for this board.

>>13862

A jewish one. Yes, that book is by a fiction-writing scientology-family jew (Gaiman), so you can figure out the rest yourself hopefully OP.

https://archive.is/2NWDK

I would get something they would sell at the frontstore of a museum or 20th century books like those of wolfgang golther, but im an autist who gets triggered by any kind of modern interpretation so you might want a more basic but softer way to read about the myths.

Honestly, this will be the version of the myths I'll tell my daughters. I don't like every decision gaiman made but he did a hell of a job filling in gaps and it's obvious he respects the material.

>>13859

>sledgehammer

why

Multiple people have recommended American Gods to me but I've never found it.

>>14072

I had a dream I went to Varg's channel and saw McNallen subscribed. I was so happy.

Also I would pay to see McNallen punch Hilmarsson in the dick.

>>14076

Are you seriously dreaming about using a computer anon?

And sharing?

>Ours is a profoundly spiritual struggle

Pretty damn good. Does anyone know if he's doing something offline or if it's just videos for the moment?

>>14080

He built a greenpilled pagan community center a while back

>>14076

I was drunk

why does this need its own thread……..

jeez i know the board is slow but im sure theres a thread somewhere for your stupid question

>>14006

>>14007

I can't tell who's autisming who anymore.

mfw it's all one autist

>>14009

Lol as this guy >>13902 said, it's all just bantz

>>14007

You really suck at this, step up your game lad

sounds like muslim bullshit tbh fam

>>13852

What's the difference between "adorations" and prayer? Don't Hindus do something like this, a prayer to the Sun? I've been wanting to get a copy of Deep Ancestors by Ceisiwr Serith for a while now, mostly so I can get a look at the prayer and ritual section where he tries to reconstruct similar prayers and such. Your thread reminded me of that.

>>13868

Kys.

Indoeuropeans have engaged in multiple daily prayers for a long time prior to Arab influence. In fact, this one one of the major criticisms an indoEuropean Persian ruler had against Muslim Arabs attacking his empire - that they had not invented the concept of multiple daily prayers.

>>13872

Yes. Solar worship/veneration is a common theme among IndoEuropean peoples.

Not much of a difference between prayer and adorations. As I use the term, adoration involves more of an "invocational" element when compared to prayer. As written, the above described adorations can allow you to "experience" elements of our spirituality multiple times a day and feel the very real aspects of our stories daily.

Also he needs to do a folkish nazi collab with Pewdiepie to boost our ranks with plebeian normalscum raw material which we can then redpill later on about the jewish menace

>>13795

He left youtube for some months

Shame about the fetal alcohol syndrome.

>>13739

Drums have negro origins.

Dont use drums.

>>13871

WE

>>13742

Honor isn't something you're born with, it's something that has to be earned.

The gods don't care what your ancestors did. They care what YOU're doing, right now. If you live an honorable life, and reflect well on your living relatives so that they might be inspired to do good; then that's all that really matters.

>>13748

Your family's actions DO effect your worth though.

>>13742

>my cousin's wife reads erotica/romance novels

That's actually pretty tame for our modern decadent world, my uncle has homosexuality and AIDS for example.

Is this guy for real?

>>13746

My family is shit tier and I feel handicapped by them.

>>13748

But isn't family and ancestors important to Asatru? I mean it's hard to bring honor to your family, when your family is degenerate.

>>13749

It's the female equivalent of porn, but your example is definitely more extreme.

>>13753

The ancestors you venerate are long dead. You carry the torch they passed on to you. The people in your immediate family are important, but not quite in the same way. You need to take care of them, and they can bring shame to you, but they're not the same as your primordial ancestors.

Worrying about romance novels is Calvinist lunacy, though. If that's the biggest problem in your life, you have luck beyond measure.

>>13761

Who leads the German Reich now?

>>13763

Legally speaking it's unable to act because its regulatory bodies are unable to act and execute their functions due to the allied occupation (which the "federal republic" is undisputably an integral part of, squatting on the Reich's rightful territory to execute the will of the victors)

>>14121

>Hellen and Celt can get a board of their own.

Hellen does have a board >>>/greek/

>>13661

I always thought the Vanir were the gods of the hunter-gatherer and horticultural Europeans, and the Aesir were the gods of the Aryans.

>>13661

That's an interesting interpretation.

I kind of intuited that the Vanir are peacetime gods, while the Aesir are wartime gods. The Aesir's superiority over the Vanir is perhaps a reminder that readiness for war is necessary to preserve peace.

>>13654

I don't think there's any precedent for neglecting one clan or the other. In fact, the Aesir-Vanir distinction is only attested in Norse sources. In Anglo-Saxon and continental sources, there are only mentions of the gods. Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence, mind; it's possible that continental and insular Germanic people did have a conception of the Aesir and Vanir as two distinct groups, but it doesn't seem to be shown anywhere. Anyway, whatever your personal thoughts on the validity or legitimacy of a distinction between two groups of gods, I'd say that there's nothing wrong with - indeed, precedents in all Indo-European traditions - for cults of particular single deities, but being part of a group who tend to a sacred grove to Nerthuz isn't the same thing as being "Asatru or Vanatru".

>>13643

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>>13661

>>13663

>>13664

All really interesting ideas. I've considered and seen posited by others the idea that the Vanir might be the gods of pre-Aryan indigenous northern Europeans whereas the Vanir are the gods of the invading/migrating Aryans of the period just before the Nordic bronze age, as >>13663 said, but I don't know how solidly supported this idea is. I definitely see and agree with the sense of the Vanir being more primitive, more earthy and more material, They tend to have spheres relating to land, fertility, bounty, wealth, whereas the Aesir tend to have more to do with either martial or philosophical/artistic doPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>13787

>Sir William Francis Butler: 'The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.'

Thanks for the attribution. I had assumed that quote was from some Greek philosopher.

The Aesir always seemed to me to not even have domains in the strictest sense. Thor isn't the god OF thunder, thunder is just what happens when he rides his chariot around and kills giants. Odin isn't the god OF knowledge, he just has a lot of it. They are later assigned these domains, perhaps by occult-minded medieval writers. Somebody in another thread said wiccans treated their gods like pokemon, maybe the same thing was going on there.

Anyway, interesting analysis. Can you recommend a good beginner book on Hinduism?

>>13788

>Odin isn't the god OF knowledge, he just has a lot of it

Actually the older continental form of him was mainly conected to storms, death and agriculture.

His argument, from what I've read thus far, is that polytheism is too fragmented in interpretations, and too split because there are multiple Gods. I *could* understand this argument if it weren't for the fact that our goal should be to reach a consensus that clearly states the values different Gods have in their pantheons, as well as the implications those values have in terms of theological development. Another goal should be to reach a consensus that acknowledges the value to a shared European heritage that different European pantheons and the cultures surrounding them have.

I'll read the rest later, but I'd like to add that the YHWH of the Bible, as followed by Orthodoxy, Catholicism, etc. is still Semitic in origin, and still centers its chosen holy places in the Middle East. YHWH is not a good God - It's the exact kind of demon you should expect Levantine hooknoses to worship. Read the false Book of Exodus to see its true nature.

Okay, finished.

tl;dr 'pagan' myths about forced conversions are false, 'pagans' lack Holy Texts that aren't fabricated by conmen, and there's a positive spiritual presence felt at Churches even by 'pagans'. Plus anecdotal evidence via a miracle, as well as contemplation that all 40+ Christian generations in Russia were traitors and what that entails.

Ye, I'll let someone dissect these points a little, then I'll add my thoughts.

>'pagan' myths about forced conversions are false

lol, literally exactly the same what muslims say when confronted on their warmongering in asia minor and north africa. let's ignore all charlemagne's coercion in saxony, slavic lands of the wends, the various scandinavian christians who forcefully drove out indigenous norse spiritualism, the many cases of christians force converting each other to the TRUE sect etc

>Holy Texts that aren't fabricated by conmen

all the wicca crap is crap, any modern books or texts trying to add to the scoured traditions of our forebears are crap, yes i agree. really the only way our folkish ethno-faiths will return is to get rid of Jewish modernity and live agrarian lives like our ancestors. or to use a National Socialist state to organically invoke a new blood religion - which will inevitably draw on the old faiths. it must be organic, not forced.

>and there's a positive spiritual presence felt at Churches even by 'pagans'

catholics and orthodox directly appropriated pagan art and temples (the ones they didnt destroy in their Jewish iconoclasm), so it's exploiting the plunder taken from gentiles. i do not feel mystified going into a protestant church, which is the closest sect of christianity to its original teachings and scripture - free of most of the pagan adoptions of catholicism and orthodoxy

>that all 40+ Christian generations in Russia were traitors and what that entails.

nah they were just peasants going along with the realpolitik and geopolitical machinations of their masters

>>13553

>polytheism is too fragmented in interpretations

Is this nigga for real? There are 15 different Christian churches within as many miles of my house some of them double as synagogues on Saturday

Christians just want to suck their own dicks, regardless of reality. Can we stop making these threads about them? What new has been said?

>>13533

After reading this, it sounds like the guy went back to Orthodoxy due to disillusionment from the Slavic Pagan scene being mostly a Universalist/Wiccan/Liberal hot mess.

I wonder if he would've stayed if he had gotten up with the Slavic equivalent of the AFA or Odinic Rite.