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File: d17deb119760638⋯.jpg (1.77 MB,4608x2128,288:133,julian_jaynes.jpg)

aa8869 No.7 [Open Thread]

This is an absolutely classic work by Julian Jaynes, and while it isn't a directly Catastrophist work it is an essential building block for Catastrophist thinking.

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fd37ad No.29

The biggest most important part of the book is a study of the Iliad and the behavior of the characters. The gods walked beside them. When Achilles was going to beat up Agamemnon for stealing his girlfriend Athena grabs him by his yellow hair and talks sense into him.

"Anachronistic Affliction" has a good episode about the Iliad as history, but he misses this angle. I don't think he has read this book.

https://youtu.be/q6afWHYqnhk

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fe09ec No.57

entire theory is incorrect while of course interesting

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aa8869 No.58

>>57

It is a really fascinating book. You will never look at people the same way afterwards.

Hardly a day goes by whem I don't think about some aspect of this book or see someone doing something stupid that fits with the model he describes.

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aa8869 No.59

File: 397653a47a4fa0a⋯.jpg (242.45 KB,Wheel_sermon_hl.jpg)

>>59

That is a valid point. I tend to entertain two options, that is is as J Jaynes said and that is the are executive right-brain steering. But without changing any of the known facts it could be the literal Voice of God and the purpose of the brain is to receive and interpret.

Backing up that latter position is what Jerry Marzinsky said about demons and the power of prayer regarding his work with schizophrenics but also on the grand scale of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.

The terms of The Sermon on the Mount don't sound like a real mountain becuase it is too windy on mointain tops to give speeches and most people are not fit enough to climb to a mountain top anyway. One gives a speech somewhere sheltered the crowd can get to, like the market place.

The Sermon on the Mount sounds celestial, with a plasma mount rising up from presumably the North Pole and the Voice of Jesus clearly heard by all - I take it directly in minds of the audiance, and clear as a bell.

I was struck by the Indians maybe hearing the same sermon when I read this passage in my wheel book (see >>39). People seem to hear all the same stuff (good or bad), whether demons in Jerry Marzinsky's patients, or the audiance to the Sermon on the Mount or the possibly identical speech heard described in picrel. Makes it a bit unlikely they all had their right-brain tell them the same thing by its silent analysis.

(Not sure if you know Jerry Marzinsky but here is one of his videos:

https://youtu.be/DR-_NixxW_A )

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dc6b77 No.60

File: 397653a47a4fa0a⋯.jpg (242.45 KB,1024x1773,1024:1773,Wheel_sermon_hl.jpg)

>>59

>404

I will try uploading the picture again. Short version, if eye witnesses from all around the world agree on something it might be real not km their heads.

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File: 62a5c8806744caa⋯.jpg (141.77 KB,500x700,5:7,Arthur_Draws_the_Sword.jpg)

03a2d6 No.26 [Open Thread]

I had known the Tales of Chivalry were celestial for a long time but a really obvious one eluded me until a few days ago when "Anachronistic Affliction", on great form as usual, pointed out to me what should have been very obvious to me all along and wasn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39SfUrdqD04

That the Round Table is the rotating Face of Saturn. I knew that was the same as the Buddhist wheel symbol but it hadn't occurred to me that the Round Tables was too.

Partly because I had King Arthur down as a manifestation of Jupiter instead - mainly going on his name - Jove, Iowe, Jehovah, Iohowah, Arthur. Also the placing of Arthur's Seat in Edinburgh - a city whose name means literally City of God and Arthur's Seat is obviously a volcano right outside the town., presumably active rather more recently than they claim today.

But placing Queen Guinevere as the Queen of Heaven star and Jupiter as Sir Lancelot, that explains it. I had Sir Lancelot as Mars instead.

Will need to think more about it. But British mythology is best mythology and seemingly very few people know how to interpret it. Kudos to the guy for noticing.

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03a2d6 No.53

I have had Julius Evola's Mystery of the Grail recommended to me. Audiobook is here:

https://youtu.be/bLOE7zx0HRk

Really good so far. I am going to need to listen to a couple of times to take it in fully. The narrator speaks quickly so I have been slowing it down to 0.8 speed.

He quickly connects the Round Table to Indian wheel symbolish and the motif of the universal ruler. I have not read anything Evola before but he seems to really know his mythology.

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03a2d6 No.56

>>53

I think Evola mentions the Pervival-Jacob link, or I thought of it. Probably the former.

Both wander

Both fight God

Both suffer famine

Both through finding what is lost solve the famine.

The grail is many coloured, like Joseph's coat. They both end up in a royal court - either king Arthur's or the king of Egypt.

They both refuse to have affairs with the princess to, be it Guinivere or Potiphar's wife.

Same facts, different story.

Another one in the link between Amadis of Gaul and Moses. Both are put into an ark as babies and floated down the river. Both get brought up in a royal court after being luckily found. Both are later identified by a cloth from their ark. Both leave their king with a great number of followers after a dispute.

There may be more similarities that will come to me the more progress I make reading about them. But the common pattern is a story weaved around observed events -the story ends up totally different but the events are the same.

I will be interested to see how Amadis of Gaul handles plagues or if he too has a sea battle with his former king.

Good audiobook of Amadis of Gaul:

https://librivox.org/amadis-of-gaul-by-vasco-de-lobeira/

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File: 0eb59255680ed3c⋯.jpg (536.04 KB,1100x850,22:17,bosphorus.jpg)

cae2c4 No.36 [Open Thread]

General thread but starting off looking at the Book of Joshua.

There are lots of interesting things in this. For instance, what actually is the Ark? Why does it cause the waters to be heaped up?

Chapter 5:

And it shall come to pass, as soon as the soles of the feet of the priests that bear the ark of the LORD, the Lord of all the earth, shall rest in the waters of Jordan, that the waters of Jordan shall be cut off from the waters that come down from above; and they shall stand upon an heap.

14 And it came to pass, when the people removed from their tents, to pass over Jordan, and the priests bearing the ark of the covenant before the people;

15 And as they that bare the ark were come unto Jordan, and the feet of the priests that bare the ark were dipped in the brim of the water, (for Jordan overfloweth all his banks all the time of harvest,)

16 That the waters which came down from above stood and rose up upon an heap very far from the city Adam, that is beside Zaretan: and those that came down toward the sea of the plain, even the salt sea, failed, and were cut off: and the people passed over right against Jericho.

17 And the priests that bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD stood firm on dry ground in the midst of Jordan, and all the Israelites passed over on dry ground, until all the people were passed clean over Jordan.

Now, lets put to one side that the river Jordan then is the same river as today as that river is a trickle. I understand it is possible to just walk across. Maybe the climate was wetter then, though, leading the Jordan to be fuller.

Another hypothesis is that the River Jordan is in the sky, similar to the Nile. What the Norse called the Bifrost maybe, running up from the north pole. But a more likely river in the sky would be rings around the Earth left by the Great Flood - sea spray, same as Saturn's rings. I ma privately convinced that if it were possible to bring back a sample from those rings theyPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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cae2c4 No.38

>>36

But what is the Ark? If this is the Bosphorus, what is happening to heap up water and what is the connections to the Ark?

One theory (thought up by me but maybe others have said this before) is that ark is 'arc', that is, crescent. Crossing overhead pushes the water away by electric repulsion so dries out the river bed temporarily.

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cae2c4 No.55

File: eab7bdbbc7fb4dd⋯.jpg (225.4 KB,960x720,4:3,960px_18th_Century_Bake_Ov….jpg)

Just caught a great one. I have long been confused about the etymology of Bethlehem.

Bethlehem -> Birth-le-ham -> Town of the Nativity

But people keep telling me the etymology of Bethlehem means House of Bread, which made no sense to me. Plus I generally regard "Hebrew" as a made up language and at best a script for dialects of Arabic.

But then it clicked. A house of bread means an oven.

If the Great Flood was caused by the same flaring of Saturn that created the Saurnian rings (plainly visible by telecope from Earth and needing no computer enhancement) then that spray would have left equatorial rings aroumd Earth too.

Being in the Northern Hemisphere those rings would be likely banded and rippling - the Seas Above, the Seven Seas, the reeds. A sort of broad inverted U shape in the southern skies.

And a night there would be the shadow of the Earth on these spectacularly backlit ring. And the whole thing would look like a vast bread oven in the sky. Pictured.

So in St. Matthew's Gospel, when the new star appears in the east and settles over Bethlehem, that means it is in the southern sky, over the bright rings and black "doorway"

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File: 349bb0a645a8faf⋯.jpg (304.29 KB,1024x1555,1024:1555,Buddhist_Praying_wheel.jpg)

7efa4d No.39 [Open Thread]

I have found this highly informative book by William Simpson, The Buddhist Praying-wheel. It is from 1896 and can be downloaded here:

https://archive.org/details/buddhistprayingw00simp

He ties together all these wheel metaphors. Even spots Joshua rotating 7 times around the walls Jericho, and on the 7th rotation the 'trumpets' blasting and the 'walls' tumbling down. I had never noticed that before but it suggests to me that happened in the sky and is a version of the Saturnisn Collapse fable. He spots it right away and connects it to the ritualised turning and wheel imagery of India.

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5cbd5b No.44

File: ef7e15399d36b77⋯.jpg (301.08 KB,1152x2048,9:16,Budd_praywheel6.jpg)

>>40

This passege is interesting describing Wheel references in Plato (continued over the next few pages)

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5cbd5b No.45

>>44

"On the eighth day the souls of the pilgrims…came to a spot whence looked down a line of light"

Sounds like the aasumed electrical discharge rising up from the North Pole to be the Mooring Post of Saturn. (Or perhaps Jupiter if that had replacad Saturn?)

It is interesting that the implied planets were in this orbital circulat arrangement and not straight line like Earth. Earth must have been straight line for the daily rotation to work, I think.

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5cbd5b No.46

File: 1fa5f0bad7de4e3⋯.jpg (307.93 KB,1152x2048,9:16,Budd_praywheel7.jpg)

>>45

Missed page picture refered to. Page 162.

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7efa4d No.47

I have found an external example of this in the song, "Keep that Wheel a-turning"

​Wheel symbology is common in the beliefs described as Hinduism, Buddhism, Brahminism as well as wheel-like Islamic actions in Mecca and it seems everywhere. Presumably also underlying our traditional punishment of breaking on a wheel and the wheel metephore as origin our Round Table legends.

The eternally turning wheel and disasterous consequence featured in the old Indian custom of people throwing themselves under the wheeled Jugganaught and Indians still do follow this custom filming themselves being thrown under trains.

The wording of song closely ties in with these wheel and sacrifice customs around the world. The great disaster is not caused by the negligence of William Brown but quite the opposite. He does it so well that he becomes the lord high turner of the trade and attract pilgrims.

It is his success that is his downfall. The market floods and the Divine System falls apart (in the failure of the firm). The Fall.

There is a lot packed in to a few lines of song. I wondered if the author had links to the study of esoteric beliefs or was perhaps a Freemason, as they are often very keen on these metephorical plays.

The wheel turner anyway has the same role as Atlas and almost the same action. It is terribly odd that a trades union folksong should fit the legends so well.

Here are the lyrics, widely known. We sang this at my school as a boy.

KEEP THAT WHEEL A-TURNING

chorus:

Keep that wheel a-turning, keep that wheel a-turning

Keep that wheel a-turning, and do a little more each day.

A nice young man was William Brown,

He works for wage in a Northern town.

He worked from six to eight at night,

Turning Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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7efa4d No.54

File: 5b4157a8a5052c6⋯.webm (2.88 MB,720x1280,9:16,1753992600841592.webm)

One of the more interesting chapters in the book is the section on good friendish and Islamic practices. The point William Simpson makes is that while the rest of the world, from Scotland to Japan, goes clockwise, good friend, and Muslims rotating around the Kaaba, go around anti-clockwise, something considered the most fearful bad luck in other cultures.

He was published in 1896 but I was intreguid to see this recent clip. The custom is still anti-clockwise.

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File: 921f643bbd86769⋯.jpeg (16.85 KB,183x275,183:275,grazia_moon_mars.jpeg)

7ea294 No.14 [Open Thread]

Alfred de Grazia is a very cool customer. He is a Velikovskian which is not to everyone's taste but he knows his stuff particularly in the Greco-Roman Mediterranean area.

I really enjoyed "The Disastrous Love Affair of Moon and Mars" Having read the book it makes me strongly suspect that the story of Queen Guinevere's infidelity with Sir Lancelot is the same story as what de Grazia recounts form the Iliad.

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7ea294 No.16

File: ee27d01cc9366ed⋯.pdf (219.65 KB,grazia_moon_mars2.pdf)

I really like how he captures that the men of the Iliad are are not great warriors. They have no noble lineage, no back story. They are just the maddened survivors of the Iron Age.

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7ea294 No.17

File: 3c0e57cd9afc2b6⋯.pdf (253.15 KB,grazia_moon_mars3.pdf)

They seem to know nothing about seamanship in spite of having boats. And they don't even know how to fish. They don't know to eat fish. They are from inland, presumably after one of the many tidal waves wiped out everyone else.

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7ea294 No.22

The version of the love affair between Queen Guinevere and Sir Lancelot in the Tales of Chivalry is very good. Very obviously describing the same events.

The only difference is it is King Arthur who is wronged in Le Mort d'Artur and Hesphaestus the lame blacksmith is the version at the end of the Odysee.

The etymology of Arthur and his role makes if clear he is Jupiter - Jove [Iowe] - Jehovah - [Yahuwa] - [Ahurer] - Arthur, as with the Chinese Emperor Yao. But who is Hesphaestus? Is there a lame knight?

At the end of the story there is the same trial with all the knights / gods involved and the same almost non-commital outcome. Things went back to normal. Queen Guinevere restored and resplendent.

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a66c3f No.48

Mike Baillie makes a very compelling argument that Arthur is Lugh.

The Celtic Gods: Comets in Irish Mythology, Patrick McCafferty and MIke Baillie

Exodus to Arthur : catastrophic encounters with comets, Mike Baillie

and

New Light on the Black Death: the cosmic connection, Mike Baillie

The third one isn't about myth/memory, but a deep dive into his methodology, combining his own field of dendrochronology with ice core studies, all converging on the compelling hypothesis that the earth's movement through the Taurid complex twice each year cyclically produces major terrestrial and health catastrophes and other lesser effects.

I've marked my copies up heavily, regarding his early failure to see the electrical/plasma nature of the phenomena he's describing/considering, but he can't be blamed for that. He came round to the EU view later, and by the mid-'00s actually talks about "electromagnetic" elements.

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7ea294 No.52

>>48

Thanks. I am just reading about him on Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugh

"He has a green mantle wrapped about him"

I can tell straight away that is a planetary god. They are always clothed in green electrical discharge.

I wonder if he is one of the Lillywhite Boys from Green Grow the Rushes-O: "Two, two the lillywhite boys, clothed all in green-ai-o".

"In his hand a five-pointed spear and next to it a forked javelin."

That is for sure interstellar lightning. No Earthly weapon looks like that.

"It is a wonder to me", said he, "that the sun to rise in the west today, and in the east every other day". "It would be better that it wer so", said the druids. "What else is it?" said he. "The radiance of the face of Lugh of the Long Arms"

"and like to the setting sun was the radiance of his face and forehead, and they were unable to gaze upon his countenance on account of its splendour."

Being compared to or being a sun. That is Saturn or Jupiter for sure as no other planets can *be* the Sun and radiate like it.

This is a pretty close match for King Arthur already IMO.

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File: b3fe475e13d92b9⋯.pdf (5.76 MB,TalbottDavid_TheSaturnMyth….pdf)

78c1de No.2 [Open Thread]

I am only part way though it. Great stuff for what he was able to do in the 1970s before the Electric Universe model was around.

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78c1de No.4

File: 863e9eb4b436a6c⋯.jpg (69.5 KB,1280x720,16:9,maxresdefault.jpg)

More images from the book. I think the back.

I would really like to understand *why* Saturn is always a crescent. If today's Sun were off to the side (i.e. Saturn were orbiting it in today's manner, with phases) then sometimes Saturn would be half or fully illuminated.

The rotation of the Earth below Saturn always exposea an crescent that rotates, top in the day and bottom at night. This is the sickle carried by Old Father Time or the Boat of Heaven of Egyptian mythology.

It is difficult to understand what the configuration is. Is that the modern Sun in front of Saturn? A different planet like perhaps Jupiter? Also it is clear that the ~24 hour day was established by this point so why is Saturn fixed but there is nignt and day. If the Sun were behind Saturn surely it would lead to the same illumimation of Earth irrespective of the time of day.

Confusing. But that is what the legends and rock art says.

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78c1de No.6

File: 4d0ec440a4b9c0c⋯.jpg (285.45 KB,1600x771,1600:771,Village_Glenridding_shore_….jpg)

>>4

Variations on the name El for Saturn seem to crop up everywhere too. For instance, that rotating crescent seems to be the Boat of Heaven in Egyptian mythology but that shape is the hull of a boat in English, hull being phoentically identical to El. In England's Lake District there is a U-shaped valley called Ullswater; the same name to shape mapping.

Once you start looking for El as a name of God and a crescent shape it is everywhere.

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b463f2 No.49

> Once you start looking for El as a name of God and a crescent shape it is everywhere.

Have you ever looked into late middle ages and early Renaissance watermarks (i.e., in sheets of paper)?

Papermakers' guilds in the 12th to 16th centuries seem to have carried an ancient body of myth and memory. They were considered heretics, being a well organized workingmen's craft guild outside the lamestream structures of the Roman church, and were viciously persecuted as such.

Catalogs of watermarks have been prepared from ancient paper archives (such as at the Arches paper company), and watermark history is a sub-field of its own, related to other studies such as emblem books and iconography.

If you look at collections of watermarksfor instance, prepared by Charles-Moise Briquet, "Les Filigranes: Dictionnaire historique des marques du papier dès leur apparition vers 1282 jusqu'en 1600" (available at Archive) or others available onlineit's possible to align claims made by people including David Talbott with what is shown in this record.

The example of the crescent is very interesting IMO because it is often depicted in tandem with the Grail in these watermarks. Mike Baillie interprets the Grail as a cometary phenomenon in the shape of a bowl (crescent) of light, accompanied by a glowing veil (as of comet tail) and a glowing spear (bolt) (of Lugh, Arthur, etc.). I mentioned that in another thread.

I don't think Dave Talbott knew about this body of symbols/memory. Briquet's massive collection of watermarks, from 1907, was generally found only in rare book collections even into the 1990s. A secondary work derived from that (Harold Bayley's Lost Language of Symbolism, 1912) was found only in the Z stacks (bibliographic studies) of research libraries.

After the Black Death of ~1347, European society and economy were massively restructured. Labor was reconfigured and many of the old cultural rootings disrupted. The persecution of heretics from the late 1300s on is clearly both a power struggle and an effort to erase earlier memory. People who today assert that there is some EZ PZ direct transmission of a "moloch cult" down thru the ages don't seem to be aware of the terrible diPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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e5b0b4 No.50

I made the /pol/ thread yesterday about british hebrew connection. Going to look around this board and do more research. Cheers anons

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78c1de No.51

File: 493b42d385c65e0⋯.jpg (167.41 KB,1024x1406,512:703,Watermarks.jpg)

>>49

Got it. Here:

https://archive.org/details/BriquetLesFiligranes4/page/n190/mode/1up

I am just looking at the images starting page 225. These jugs caught my eye. 12856 and 12860 are very plasmoid-like on page 249. And I have just glanced at those animal shapes right after.

Thanks! Great find!

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File: 97068c44a7e8fdc⋯.jpg (119.58 KB,1600x600,8:3,Huma_bird.jpg)

93f433 No.41 [Open Thread]

Legendary animal thread and their origins.

Starting with the Huma bird. What sort of bird is a Huma bird? It is refered to near the start of Rory Stewart's book, The Places in Between, about walking across Afghanistan.

That has to be some sort of celestial-electrical phenomonen. There is a bit of a similarity with our phoenix too.

What is the egg made of? Planet? Ball lightning? Comet?

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93f433 No.42

The Turquiose Mountain is a bit iffy too. That has got to be the legendary Green Mountain/Mount Zion/Mount Olympus/Arthur's Seat transposed to a real place by local custom.

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ae0ca4 No.43

File: e39955ddf1bb0a3⋯.jpg (99.73 KB,1600x676,400:169,St_Ulya.jpg)

There is a reference to a giant buried in Afghanistan a little further on in the same book, in the chapter titled These Boots.

St Ulya. Described as ten feet tall. Would be interesting to go an ultrasound of the grave.

Herat Sha'ede outside Herat in Afghanistan.

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File: 2bd170d3365af0c⋯.png (39.58 KB,653x515,653:515,shrug_emoji_copy.png)

5908cd No.31 [Open Thread]

I have found a new Saturnian gesture still in use today. The shrug, with arms aloft. It is used to mean that one does not know the answer and it is in the Hands of God.

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5908cd No.32

File: 814d42d3803b228⋯.png (114.43 KB,601x315,601:315,stick_man.png)

This will be in imitation of the Adam/Atlas figure likely seen anciently appearing to bear Saturn aloft in his arms. Resembling this figure carved into rocks all over the world and can be reproduced in a mercury-vapour tube - basically like a domestic strip light but wider and shorter.

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5908cd No.33

File: f2bb432e427f108⋯.jpg (318.57 KB,820x652,205:163,preist_arms_raised.jpg)

An Anglican or Catholic priest raises his arms in a similar way during a church service. Presumably a very ancient gesture.

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5908cd No.34

File: b442bf3e6a3dd46⋯.jpg (154.19 KB,921x1390,921:1390,clock_globe_supported_by_a….jpg)

This is the same as the images showing Atlas holing the Heavens aloft. Note also the reference to time in this picture. Saturn seems to been observable as a clock indicating the time. Hence the names of Chronos and Old Father Time

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5908cd No.35

File: ef98db6efddc6a4⋯.png (282.21 KB,882x498,147:83,Grand_conjunction.png)

I have not understood exactly how the celestial mechanism worked to render Saturn as a clock. With Earth's North Pole pointing directly at Saturn's South Pole the daily rotation of the Earth would have kept Saturn fixed to one spot in the northern skies, with the crescent rotating during the say.

But what then makes day and night? The crescent itself must be a brighter object behind Saturn, perhaps out modern-day Sun or perhaps Jupiter. But why would rotation of the Earth then cause day and night?

The theory goes that once Saturn came into contact with the present Sun it lost much of its luminosity but grew visible. That instead of a plasma sheath encompassing Earth with Saturn sometimes visible within, the sheath was gone but Saturn larger and less bright - to gather more electrons.

To get a proper day and night that suggests that this configuration orbited the Sun, so by daily rotation Earth would get a sunrise and sunset.

But what then is the crescent? I can only think of perhaps Jupiter in line directly above Saturn, with all planets in the rotation moving around the Sun like a baton. But that would imply the Earth and other planets in the line were orbiting off-axis vis-a-vis the Sun. Which surely would create tidal stresses.

The other option is the Crescent of Saturn is the modern-day Sun, and it is the crescent that is providing light. But why then would the rotation of the Earth in front of Saturn make for a definable day and a celestial clock by rotation. Although the crescent would rotate the day light would be constant form it, if the planets were arranged in a straight line.

Also, drawing from Arthurian mythology, to be a round table and to have "knights" around it implies that some planets orbited Saturn in the conventional circular motion. Why not Earth too?

Also, why a crescent at all? For that to be present that which lit behind Saturn would have to be persistently off-axis. This is the "Ark" (arc) or "El" as a name of Saturn, which we still have in calling the similar shape of a boat its "hPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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dd06bb No.30 [Open Thread]

I have understood something new about the Great Flood and Biblical talk of a covenant.

Primitive people may have no notion of contract or future agreement. I have it saved somewhere but someone did an investigation of the Zulu language in South Africa (or Xosa) and it had an entry in the Zulu to English dictionary for contract. But no Zulu had heard of it.

The entry had translated contract to mean to binds the feet. That is, capitive. But actually the concept simply didn't exist in Zulu.

Classical depiction of Saturn/Chronos sometimes show him with chains around his feet. Or bindings, like this picture.

And that is what is meant by the Covenant of Noah. The chains now on Saturn, not so much promising not to do it again but prevented. That is, the rings of Saturn left after the Big Spray.

The the rainbow will be the symbol of this covenant (binding) because it will have appeared at the same time also from the spray. Temporary equatorial rings that have faded since with nothing to replenish them.

Backlit they would be rainbow coloured due to ordinary diffraction. A static rainbow illuminated every night.

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2a73a9 No.10 [Open Thread]

The Confederate Flag seems to fit in with the Catastrophist model too. The theory goes that something very like it was visible in the night sky well into Medieval times.

One bar, the Lighted Zodiac. The plane of the Solar system filled with space dust and grit, reflecting Sunlight in the night sky. I have read this was visible as late as the 1840s. Every planet shines on this line, also being confined to the plane of the Solar system. Also called tbe Ecliptic.

The other bar is the Earth's equatorial ring. Presumable a set of real rings anciently (assuming the Flood of Noah caused Saturn's rings and sprayed Earth) but by Medieval times likely faded away to near nothing. But with space grit, remaining water and any orbiting asteroids that would have made a diagonal line crossing the ecliptic due-south in the Northern Hemisphere. With asteroids making stars.

Must have been spectacular.

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d1584c No.11

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One thing I see is really as late as the 1920s there was a retained cultural understanding of legendary shapes in the sky. People "thanked their lucky stars". Distinctive shapes like the Confederate Flag still had a residual understanding. The dogma of a static Solar system was not firmly established and people did not talk glibly of 4.5 billion years ago as they do today.

If such sights were residually visible into tne 19th Century they would be on the edge of living memory still. The painting by Campi showing the Passion of Christ (attached and used as banner for this board) was recognised as that being what the Ressurection looked like. It is still described as the Ressurection by art historians but none could explain today why that was so.

There will be other cultural memories from the futher past that were still understood in the 19th and early 20th Century that I will post as I find.

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d1584c No.12

Another example is that God and Heaven was firmly placed in the sky. Only really with the Space Age of the 1950s and 60s does God and His place in Heaven start to become immaterial instead and not in the sky.

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d1584c No.13

File: 814d42d3803b228⋯.png (114.43 KB,601x315,601:315,stick_man.png)

There is a tantelising reference in Comyns-Beaumont's Mysterious Comet to an actual sighting of the Antichrist over Canada in the 1920s. People knew what that looked like then but sadly he left no drawing of it and it is not certain now what that means. A red plasma man over the North Pole is my best guess, resembling this laboratory-produced image.

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fd2d18 No.27

Thanks for the effortpost at 4chan, anon. And the link to your underworld of knights errand.

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b361bc No.28

>>27

You're welcome! I think conceptually all this stuff is really starting to take off.

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e1b7f1 No.23 [Open Thread]

This picture in the Getty museum attributed to perhaps Andre d'Ypres, suggested 1425-1450AD

https://www.getty.edu/art/collection/object/103REV

Isn't that planetary Mars off to the right wreaking havoc?

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e1b7f1 No.24

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Similar to the picture used as banner here, with a very planetary Mars this time raising Jesus to heaven.

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e1b7f1 No.25

Same theme of smoke and fire and a round shape at the bottom.

The horns would be any planet on a close pass making a crescent in the sunlight

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01e857 No.20 [Open Thread]

Best current Youtuber "Anachonistic Affliction" has a great little series up looking at this KGB document called Project Orion, from 1985:

https://youtu.be/MAs0xF14uAo

This is the archive link for it:

https://archive.org/details/proekt-orion-translated/Proekt_Orion_Translated/mode/1up

Lots and lots of interesting things therein. The motivation seems to be that they got wind of the Americans expecting a major catastrophe in 2012 and wanted to understand why.

They had access to the captured German research from the late 1930s as well as Tibetan manuscripts and made some very up to date conclusions about the role of electromagnetism and planetary dynamics. The odd thing is the hypothesized the existence of a massive "Iron Planet" that induced all these electrical effects that would be explained today with Birkeland Currents through space and the plasma physics that came later.

The other odd thing is the scope of the work, going back half a million years and suggesting alien origin of humanity, based on the Sumarian clay tablets describing their Creation myths. Not the last few thousand years favoured today.

I have only glanced at it so far but it looks excellent. Lots of things wrong with it of course but lots seems right and is a remarkable thing to put together in the 1980s. They were after all the number one intelligence-gathering operation at the time.

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01e857 No.21

I am working my way through "Anachronistic Affliction's" series on it. There is a really interesting comment posted in the second podcast, which I will repost here.

https://youtu.be/mbMbys7BnLk

""Hi, I came across your two videos that are about the subject of the KGB file discussed here. I admire your attempt to present the shocking content of one on video.

I am also familiar with it now and came to this through my own research, completely independent of what you refer to. However, after my personal, in-depth interpretation of the information presented in the document, I come to somewhat different conclusions. This is not the place to discuss all of that here, but I want to emphasize one thing very clearly here, namely that the file was not simply released as 'declassified'! After the fall of the USSR, the file came into the hands of KGB general MERKULOV who was responsible for its management and research. He published many related photos on the internet for money that could then be purchased. The text remained unpublished. I therefore do not think your position on deliberate disinformation is correct. (We could discuss that separately) So also the associated word 'lies'. That really hurts me I must admit. What I also do not find in your analysis is the question 'How did the Russians come to compile this file?' My own research clearly points in the direction of the Second World War when the Soviet army took over the German headquarters (OKH) in Berlin, where they found files of the "Ahnenerbe" organization. This Ahnenerbe is therefore mentioned several times in the file, as well as anonymous 'German scientists'. The research results of the Ahnenerbe and their Tibet research in 1937-38 form the basis of this entire KGB file! The Russians were so surprised by the accuracy of the presented facts that they have carried out the entire research again, now with modern insights and techniques. This re-investigation is presented in the file. What should also not be forgotten is that the Tibet expedition under "Schäfer" contains a great deal of information that they received from the Tibetans and the Dalai Lama himself! This information goes back to the time when the Tibetans still knew about a "Tibet by the Sea"!!! How far back their knowledge of cosmological knowlPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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e438d7 No.1 [Open Thread]

This episode about what on Earth happened at the time of Jesus is Anachronistic Affliction's best podcast yet. He is hardly known at all - his podcasts get tends or at most hundreds of views, but his content is stellar. He really knows his stuff. He has made that crucial leap of spotting that the when Fomenko noticed that Jesus seems to have been crucified in 1185AD not 33AD, either at the time or a few years after something really big happened and everything before that is messed up and huge areas of Earth seem smashed up and depopulated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFn-_8QXY50

He's the best out there at the moment. He needs a lot more encouragement.

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e438d7 No.5

>>1

This is his earlier "Zero Event" video. Really good starting point.

https://youtu.be/UXIUd_WZjMI

Something very strange seems to have happened at that time. All around the world people are sure Jesus came to visit them. And no history makes sense before that point.

Fomemko explicitly dates the Crucifixion of Jesus to 1185AD. Seemimgly no nation on Earth exists before that point. English legal history stops at 1189AD with the concept of "time immemorial".

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e438d7 No.18

File: 867a9f5d97b3fe2⋯.jpg (284.88 KB,900x1600,9:16,Pseudo_Roman_road.jpg)

>>5

He has a new podcast up now about this, bringing in Gulliver's Travels. In which book Jonathan Swift is somehow able to describe the moons of Mars some 160 years before they were discovered.

https://youtu.be/9ojOni06MLs

Given he didn't have access to a magic telescope and it is rather more than a lucky guess, the logical conclusion is that relatively recently elipticism meant Mars and Earth did brush by and the last time it did Earth effectively "swept" Mars of the smaller orbiting debris - the Heavenly Host, accounting for the large numbers of Martian meteorites we find and the "Windrush" of destruction found all over the world but in England as ruined "Roman" castles, depopulation (per the Doomsday Book and repopulation in the Middle Ages.

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